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Re: Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush

by tim Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:48 am

The takeaway here is that a lot of idioms can go either way. Because of this you should always solve questions without idioms if possible, and only work on the idioms as a last resort..
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Re: Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush

by madhavbatra Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:00 am

RonPurewal Wrote:
vengaair3000 Wrote:I eliminated E first time as i understood it as
Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush was a relatively easy task since erosion, prehistoric glacier(Or from certain point of time....)
Doesnt it change the meaning of original sentence?


not an issue here, since the other four choices are all grammatically incorrect -- they either have bad parallelism or aren't sentences at all (run-ons or fragments).

Hi, can you please help me understand how the other four choices are run-ons or fragments as im unable to identify these issues in the four wrong options.
thanks.
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Re: Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush

by RonPurewal Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:27 pm

madhavbatra Wrote:Hi, can you please help me understand how the other four choices are run-ons or fragments as im unable to identify these issues in the four wrong options.
thanks.


i've yellowed out modifiers to make the below discussion easier.

(a)
Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush was a relatively easy task, because of erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity put gold literally within reach for anybody with a pan or shovel.

this is "because OF + CLAUSE".
prep + CLAUSE is not a valid sentence structure.

(b)
Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush was a relatively easy task, because of erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and volcanic activity that thrust ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds to the surface, and putting gold literally within reach of anybody with a pan or shovel.

there's nothing parallel to the boldface construction; "and" requires that there be some parallel construction earlier in the sentence.

(c)
Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush was a relatively easy task, owing to erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and volcanic activity that had thrust ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds to the surface, and putting gold literally within reach of anybody with a pan or shovel.

same problem as in (b).

also, "owing to" is sketchy and informal -- i wouldn't use that in a formal sentence, unless i were actually writing about someone literally owing something (like money) to someone else.

(d)
Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush was a relatively easy task, since erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and volcanic activity that thrust ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds to the surface, putting gold literally within reach for anybody with a pan or shovel.

"since" is a subordinating conjunction, so the words after "since" should constitute a sentence by themselves.
in this example, those words are NOT a complete clause; they're just a noun (X, Y, and Z), followed by two modifiers (the "that" modifier and the "comma + ing" modifier).
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Re: Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush

by madhavbatra Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:24 pm

madhavbatra Wrote:
RonPurewal Wrote:
vengaair3000 Wrote:I eliminated E first time as i understood it as
Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush was a relatively easy task since erosion, prehistoric glacier(Or from certain point of time....)
Doesnt it change the meaning of original sentence?


not an issue here, since the other four choices are all grammatically incorrect -- they either have bad parallelism or aren't sentences at all (run-ons or fragments).

Hi, can you please help me understand how the other four choices are run-ons or fragments as im unable to identify these issues in the four wrong options.
thanks.

Ron, Thanks very much for the wonderfully detailed post.
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Re: Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush

by tim Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:10 pm

he's good at that.. :)
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Re: Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush

by samarpan.bschool Fri Dec 31, 2010 11:56 am

Hi Ron,
I agree with you that all the other 4 answer choices have 'major' grammatically errors, and hence cannot be the correct answer choices. However in the correct choice E, dont you think the 'logical parallel structure' has not been followed?

In this option, Erosion and Glacier movement are parallel to 'riverbeds'. Dont you think the correct noun to be paralled is 'volcanic activity'? Also it is in passive voice - riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity!

Can you please comment on this? Thanks
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Re: Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush

by mschwrtz Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:47 pm

Well, I find the idiom "within reach for" less congenial than does Jonathon, but it's really an empirical question, or a couple of empirical questions:

1) Does the GMAT ever count "within reach for" as correct? Not to my knowledge, but the issue is so rare that you can't draw any conclusions. I dunno.

2) Does the GMAT ever require that you recognize "within reach for" as wrong in order to eliminate an otherwise incorrect answer? Not to my knowledge, but the issue is so rare that you can't draw any conclusions. Still I doubt it, so I sort of agree with Jonathon after all.

As to your immediate question, no. Consider a sentence such as "Home ownership is with reach." Great, but for whom? "Home ownership is within reach for families with two wage-earners and good credit." This means the same as "Home ownership is within reach of families with two wage-earners and good credit." I think that the structures are different, that "for families..." modifies the entire preceding clause, while "of families..." modifies the noun "reach." But that's too arcane a concern.
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Re: Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush

by alexei600 Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:53 pm

Dear Instructor,
Is there an easier rule that can be learnt from this question re: "because of" use. I am still strugling seeing why A and B are wrong.
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Re: Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush

by RonPurewal Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:46 am

alexei600 Wrote:Dear Instructor,
Is there an easier rule that can be learnt from this question re: "because of" use. I am still strugling seeing why A and B are wrong.
thanks


choice (a) has "because of" followed by a clause, not just by a noun (or collection of nouns). you can't do that; prepositions must be followed by nouns, and can't be followed by clauses.

choice (b) contains "...and putting". and signals parallelism, but there's nothing parallel to "putting".
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Re: Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush

by manassingh Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:07 pm

Hi Ron,
Thanks for your explanations.

i have a follow-up question from your explantion of A

Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush was a relatively easy task, because of erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity put gold literally within reach for anybody with a pan or shovel
this is "because OF + CLAUSE".
prep + CLAUSE is not a valid sentence structure


Does this rule(Prep + Clause is not valid sentence structure) apply in all cases ?

Just to confirm - is this a preposition ? I am confused

Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush was a relatively easy task
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Re: Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush

by RonPurewal Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:51 am

manassingh Wrote:Does this rule(Prep + Clause is not valid sentence structure) apply in all cases ?


yes.

Just to confirm - is this a preposition ? I am confused

Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush was a relatively easy task
,


whoa, no. the preposition in this case is "of".

it seems that you ought to go look up the definition of a preposition -- the best way for you to do this is to use a search engine; there will no doubt be hundreds, if not thousands, of good websites carrying definitions of basic grammatical terms such as this one.
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Re: Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush

by jp.jprasanna Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:36 pm

RonPurewal Wrote:
manassingh Wrote:Does this rule(Prep + Clause is not valid sentence structure) apply in all cases ?


yes.

Just to confirm - is this a preposition ? I am confused

Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush was a relatively easy task
,


whoa, no. the preposition in this case is "of".

it seems that you ought to go look up the definition of a preposition -- the best way for you to do this is to use a search engine; there will no doubt be hundreds, if not thousands, of good websites carrying definitions of basic grammatical terms such as this one.


Thanks Ron - Just one doubt here so is it "BECAUSE + PREP" cannot be followed by Clause or any PREP cannot be followed by a clause. Just a little bit confused. Can you please enlighten us with some examples please, will help a lot..!
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Re: Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush

by RonPurewal Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:45 am

prepositions can't be followed by clauses. they must be followed by a noun (or noun + modifier).

since this is completely general, just use google (search for "preposition usage", or "prepositional phrase examples", or whatever else) to find examples.
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Re: Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush

by nowwithgmat Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:34 am

tim Wrote:"ancient" and "gold-bearing" both modify the riverbeds; the comma is there to keep you from thinking the gold was ancient. As for the parallelism, there are three things that are parallel, NONE of which are "volcanic activity". The parallel elements of course are joined by commas and an "and":
erosion
prehistoric glacier movement, and
ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity





thanx tim
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Re: Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush

by nowwithgmat Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:43 am

RonPurewal Wrote:
madhavbatra Wrote:Hi, can you please help me understand how the other four choices are run-ons or fragments as im unable to identify these issues in the four wrong options.
thanks.


i've yellowed out modifiers to make the below discussion easier.

(a)
Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush was a relatively easy task, because of erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity put gold literally within reach for anybody with a pan or shovel.

this is "because OF + CLAUSE".
prep + CLAUSE is not a valid sentence structure.

(b)
Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush was a relatively easy task, because of erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and volcanic activity that thrust ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds to the surface, and putting gold literally within reach of anybody with a pan or shovel.

there's nothing parallel to the boldface construction; "and" requires that there be some parallel construction earlier in the sentence.

(c)
Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush was a relatively easy task, owing to erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and volcanic activity that had thrust ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds to the surface, and putting gold literally within reach of anybody with a pan or shovel.

same problem as in (b).

also, "owing to" is sketchy and informal -- i wouldn't use that in a formal sentence, unless i were actually writing about someone literally owing something (like money) to someone else.

(d)
Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush was a relatively easy task, since erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and volcanic activity that thrust ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds to the surface, putting gold literally within reach for anybody with a pan or shovel.

"since" is a subordinating conjunction, so the words after "since" should constitute a sentence by themselves.
in this example, those words are NOT a complete clause; they're just a noun (X, Y, and Z), followed by two modifiers (the "that" modifier and the "comma + ing" modifier).


hello ron

correct me if i m not right

option B , C ,and D change the meaning
X,Y,and Z that thust the volcanic activity bha bha ...

but original sentence provides idea that is

X , Y , and Z individually cause to....bha bha....

thanx