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When working with overseas clients

by pradeepchandy Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:14 pm

SOURCE : GMATPREP
When working with overseas clients, an understanding of cultural norms is at least as important as grasping the pivotal business issues for the global manager

A. When working with overseas clients, an understanding of cultural norms is at least as important as grasping the pivotal business issues for the global manager.
B. When they work with overseas clients, understanding cultural norms is at least of equal importance to the global manager as grasping the pivotal business issues.
C. For global managers working with overseas clients, understanding cultural norms is at least as important as grasping the pivotal business issues.
D. For global managers working with overseas clients, an understanding of cultural norms is at least as important to them as that they grasp the pivotal business issues.
E. Global managers working with overseas clients find an understanding of cultural norms to be equally important as grasping the pivotal business issues.

Official Answer : C
Questions:
Even though I got the answer correct. I have a question about using "For" - How can "for" be used? In some cases I have noticed it can stand for "because". What are the incorrect uses of for
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Re: When working with overseas clients

by RonPurewal Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:58 pm

pradeepchandy Wrote:Even though I got the answer correct. I have a question about using "For" - How can "for" be used? In some cases I have noticed it can stand for "because". What are the incorrect uses of for


you are correct that "for" can mean "because".
those cases can be separated from others, though, because those instances of "for" must come before a complete CLAUSE.
in other words -- if "for" is used to mean "because", then the words following "for" should form a complete sentence by themselves.

the other (and probably more common) use of "for" is as a preposition. this use can be distinguished from the above, because a preposition is followed by noun (or noun + modifier(s)), not by a clause.
this is what's in choice (c): "global managers working with overseas clients" is just a noun + modifier, so "for" must be a preposition.

it's hard to define exactly what "for" means, as a preposition, in simple terms; in fact, there are no fewer than 32 definitions of "for" (preposition) at the following link:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/for
when you look at those, DON'T memorize the dictionary definitions -- they'll be awkward and hard to apply. instead, look at the example sentences and remember what they look like, and how the words are used in them.
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Re: When working with overseas clients

by kernnel7799 Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:23 am

Hi,
I have no idea how to make the right decision between (C) and (D).
Can someone please help me on this question?
Thanks!
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Re: When working with overseas clients

by RonPurewal Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:58 am

kernnel7799 Wrote:Hi,
I have no idea how to make the right decision between (C) and (D).
Can someone please help me on this question?
Thanks!


problems with (d):

1) PARALLELISM
the constructions highlighted in red, which should be parallel, are not parallel.
For global managers working with overseas clients, an understanding of cultural norms is at least as important to them as that they grasp the pivotal business issues.

(note the perfect parallelism in the correct answer:
understanding cultural norms is at least as important as grasping the pivotal business issues)


2) REDUNDANCY
the constructions highlighted in blue are redundant:
For global managers working with overseas clients, an understanding of cultural norms is at least as important to them as that they grasp the pivotal business issues.
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Re: When working with overseas clients

by aditya.thakur85 Sat Oct 23, 2010 2:56 pm

Hi,

I know the answer is C, but someone clarify if starting a sentence with "When" is correct? (Options A & B)

Thanks in Advance
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Re: When working with overseas clients

by mschwrtz Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:38 pm

Sure. You can do it a few different ways.

You can follow the when with a prepositional phrase that applies to the subject of the main clause:

When in England, I often drive on the wrong side of the road.

Or a participial phrase that attributes action to the subject of the main clause:

When driving in England, I forget to stay on the left side of the road.

Or some other sort of modifier.

Also, you can use when to introduce a subordinate clause:

When I drive in England, I forget to stay on the left side of the road.

etc.
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Re: When working with overseas clients

by RonPurewal Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:13 am

a student sent me a question about choice (e):
E. Global managers working with overseas clients find an understanding of cultural norms to be equally important as grasping the pivotal business issues.


two things wrong here.

1) "X is equally important as Y" is not a legitimate idiom. you could use either of these instead:
- X and Y are equally important
- X is as important as Y

2) the parallelism between "an understanding" and "grasping" is inferior to the parallelism in the correct answer choice.
NOTE: you do not need a nuanced understanding of the uses of a, an, and the -- those uses are not explicitly tested -- but in cases like this one, in which there's a clear split in which one choice is markedly less parallel than another one, you should be able to make the requisite decision.
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Re: When working with overseas clients

by gauravmalik29 Sun May 15, 2011 6:08 am

Hi Everyone, I am stuck with this question as well. Although it is clear that C is the right answer, but I was just wondering if the answer choice has a modifier error. The sentence pauses at overseas clients and then post that starts with "understanding cultural norms". Shouldn't the correct answer choice have an "an" before understanding to make the meaning more clear and correct the "perceived?/actual" modifier error?

also, if at all this is an actual modifier error, is that the reason why these questions have been retired. I have often seen some GMATprep questions that can have conflicting answers....
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Re: When working with overseas clients

by jnelson0612 Thu May 19, 2011 11:06 pm

gauravmalik29 Wrote:Hi Everyone, I am stuck with this question as well. Although it is clear that C is the right answer, but I was just wondering if the answer choice has a modifier error. The sentence pauses at overseas clients and then post that starts with "understanding cultural norms". Shouldn't the correct answer choice have an "an" before understanding to make the meaning more clear and correct the "perceived?/actual" modifier error?

also, if at all this is an actual modifier error, is that the reason why these questions have been retired. I have often seen some GMATprep questions that can have conflicting answers....


Either "an understanding of cultural norms" OR "understanding cultural norms" would be correct. In the second case (the one in the correct answer choice), "understanding" is a gerund, a word that is made from a verb, ends in -ing, and functions as a noun. You do not need the "an" before it.
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Re: When working with overseas clients

by aps_asks Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:11 pm

Hi Instructors ,

Is Choice B ) incorrect here because they does not have a referent.?
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Re: When working with overseas clients

by RonPurewal Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:34 am

aps_asks Wrote:Hi Instructors ,

Is Choice B ) incorrect here because they does not have a referent.?


yes, that's definitely an error.
the only plural noun that choice is "cultural norms", and the sentence definitely doesn't make any sense if it suggests that cultural norms work overseas.
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Re: When working with overseas clients

by vivs.gupta Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:14 am

RonPurewal Wrote:a student sent me a question about choice (e):
E. Global managers working with overseas clients find an understanding of cultural norms to be equally important as grasping the pivotal business issues.


two things wrong here.

1) "X is equally important as Y" is not a legitimate idiom. you could use either of these instead:
- X and Y are equally important
- X is as important as Y

2) the parallelism between "an understanding" and "grasping" is inferior to the parallelism in the correct answer choice.
NOTE: you do not need a nuanced understanding of the uses of a, an, and the -- those uses are not explicitly tested -- but in cases like this one, in which there's a clear split in which one choice is markedly less parallel than another one, you should be able to make the requisite decision.


Ron,
Can we eliminate this option on the basis of following:

"an understanding of cultural norms" is a complex gerund phrase
"grasping the pivotal business issues" is a simple gerund phrase

A complex gerund and simple gerund can't be parallel.

Please let me know if my understanding is correct.
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Re: When working with overseas clients

by tim Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:21 am

i wouldn't put too much stock in that rule. there will pretty much always be better reasons to eliminate a wrong answer that contains a construction of this type..
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Re: When working with overseas clients

by nishatfarhat87 Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:55 pm

Is A wrong here only because of the use of the article "an" or because of the misplaced "For the global manager" .Doesn't it changes the meaning to an invalid comparison of understanding.... to Grasping.... business manager giving the meaning that only grasping is for the business manager and not understanding.

Please clarify!
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Re: When working with overseas clients

by thanghnvn Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:19 am

I want to talk of participle phrase which has preposition and prepositional phrase.
though both phrases are adverbial, they are different. participle phrase with preposition must refer to the subject as participle phrase without a preposition must.

in learning English, I feel happy

we can omit "in" in above sentence. But, whether we omiting "in", " learning" must be in a position, which refer to the subject.

However, if prepositional phrase is adverbial, the position of this adverbial is not neccessary to refer any word in the main clause. The position of this phrase is flexible.

besides French, I learn English.

"French" dose not need to stand close to "English'

Is my thinking correct?