Usage of while in sentence. Although producer....

[jlucero]

Glad it helped!

[supratim7]

(b) this sentence doesn't make sense.
if you write analysts said that x and not necessarily that y, then the meaning is ...
... analysts definitely said x
... we're not certain whether analysts said y
that's not the meaning here. the intended meaning is that the analysts actually said all of this stuff: that the increase resulted from xxxxxxxx, but that it doesn't have to mean xxxxxxx.

by contrast, here's a legitimate sentence that could use the above construction:
Laura said that she was angry at me but not that she wanted to leave me
--> Laura said that she was angry. She didn't say that she wanted to leave me (but also didn't say that she would stay, either).
Laura said that she was angry at me but did not want to leave me
--> Laura said two things: (a) she was angry, (b) she nevertheless did not want to leave the relationship.

Also is the "it" in B ambiguous? I thought the "it" clearly refers to the increase.

the pronoun is fine.

Must compliment Ron for another superfab answer explanation. Too good :)

[RonPurewal]

Thanks.

[AbhilashM94]

Ron,

Is it that ,while can only be used when
1) there is a contrast
2) both events work together

I get 2) but not 1).

Can you explain the usage in the below sentence?

Jane made a left hand turn, while Jane was watching for pedestrians.

Is there a contrast?

[jlucero]

Ron,

Is it that ,while can only be used when
1) there is a contrast
2) both events work together

I get 2) but not 1).

Can you explain the usage in the below sentence?

Jane made a left hand turn, while Jane was watching for pedestrians.

Is there a contrast?

You can combine your two rules into one by using "at the same time as"

While ice cream tastes great, it also is fattening. (contrasting two things about ice cream that happen at the same time)

Jane made a left hand turn, while Jane was watching for pedestrians. (at the same time, Jane was turning and watching- note you'd probably be more likely to see the sentence as: Jane made a left hand turn, while watching for pedestrians. You'd use your structure if they were two different people working together to make a turn and not hit anyone)

[RonPurewal]

Ron,

Is it that ,while can only be used when
1) there is a contrast
2) both events work together

I get 2) but not 1).

Can you explain the usage in the below sentence?

Jane made a left hand turn, while Jane was watching for pedestrians.

Is there a contrast?

If you mean only #2, then, in formal usage, you're likely to employ one of the following 2 structures:

1/
"while", followed only by a modifier (i.e., not by a complete sentence)
You should not drive while intoxicated.
Kara often makes business phone calls while driving.

2/
"as", followed by a complete sentence
As Laura stirred the pot, her eight-year-old son sprinkled in some additional ingredients.

Formal usage mostly avoids "while" in the second of these situations, for precisely the reason you're hinting at (but aren't explicitly pointing out) here.
I.e., the use of "while" in situation #2 creates some degree of ambiguity as to whether a contrast is intended. "As", on the other hand, creates no such contrast.

[gmatkiller_24]

Hi, Ron:

is there something wrong with the "would be" in choice E?

since in the non-underlined part we have already had " resurgence"

would it be somewhat redundant to use both " would be" and "resurgence"?

or "would be" is wrong for other reasons?

Thank you!

[RonPurewal]

sure.

[ShriramC110]

Hi Ron,

Is Resulted a verb here??

Thanks

[RonPurewal]

Hi Ron,

Is Resulted a verb here??

Thanks

"resulted" can't be anything other than a verb.

[aflaamM589]

Can D and E be crossed also because of two contrasting words for one contrast?
Although--> for contrast
while--> for contrast

Although producer prices rose at an unexpectedly steep rate in September, analysts said that the increase resulted mostly from temporary factors and not necessarily foreshadowing that there would be a resurgence of inflation.


A. factors and not necessarily foreshadowing that there would be
B. factors and not necessarily that it foreshadowed
C. factors and did not necessarily foreshadow
D. factors, while not necessarily a foreshadowing of
E. factors, while it did not necessarily foreshadow that there would be

[RonPurewal]

hmm?
you are not thinking about what the sentence means.

Although stuff happened,
analysts said that this stuff was only temporary and that no long-term effects would occur.

the contrast is between the blue stuff and the orange stuff.

the two orange parts DON'T contrast with each other! they reinforce each other!
the use of "while" between them is WRONG!

[aflaamM589]

Got it!
Thank you very much
Have a nice day

[RonPurewal]

you're welcome.

[DiJ92]

Hi Ron ,

Can u please elaborate on the incorrect choices D ) and E) ??

choice (d) is explained above in copious detail.

in both of these choices, there's also the issue of "while". the two claims work together --
1/ the observed effects are temporary
2/ they don't signal a longer-lasting change (like "a resurgence of inflation")
-- so they should be connected with "and".

you wouldn't want "while" in a situation like this one unless there were actually a contrast. e.g.,
the analysts said that, while the effects appeared to be temporary, they could have longer-lasting consequences
here, there's a contrast -- the effects appeared temporary, but they might *not* be temporary -- so "while" is appropriate.



also, note that the parallelism (or, more accurately, the lack of parallelism) in choice (e) is an issue.
the second parallel element in choice (e) is...
... it did not necessarily foreshadow that
the only thing to which this can be parallel is the other clause, i.e., "analysts said..."

that doesn't make sense; "analysts said" shouldn't be parallel to anything. instead, the parallel structure should indicate that analysts said A and B, where "A" and "B" are the two (parallel) things that they actually said.

Dear Ron

Why do you say that the only thing to which this sentence-namely "While it did not...“ can be parallel is "Analysts said that" but not " the increase resulted mostly from"? Thank you a lot.