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Re: The Kwakiutl recognized one social unit larger than

by dvrsrikar Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:00 pm

Hi Ron/Stacey

As cfaking asked, I was also wondering whether we can use "who" for "tribes"? I thought "who" can only be used for Singular and Living - tribal people are Living, but Tribe is not? Pls correct wherever my logic is flawed.

Thanking you in advance...and awaiting your response (hope the sentence is correct parallelism) :)

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Re: The Kwakiutl recognized one social unit larger than

by tim Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:41 pm

dvrsrikar Wrote:Hi Ron/Stacey

As cfaking asked, I was also wondering whether we can use "who" for "tribes"? I thought "who" can only be used for Singular and Living - tribal people are Living, but Tribe is not? Pls correct wherever my logic is flawed.

Thanking you in advance...and awaiting your response (hope the sentence is correct parallelism) :)

DVR


The parallelism is correct, but it's not a sentence.. :)

"who" is indeed a relative pronoun, and as we see in this example, apparently the GMAT considers it appropriate to use for a group of people. i think if you really want to get detailed here, the distinction is what entities are interacting. The tribes themselves aren't interacting unless we're talking about diplomatic relations, so we infer that the individual people within the tribes are the ones interacting. Thus the use of "who" is certainly justified..
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Re: The Kwakiutl recognized one social unit larger than

by anand.balaji02 Mon Mar 07, 2011 3:40 pm

If i give an option F like

F. tribes who interacted with one another more often than among

will it be correct?
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Re: The Kwakiutl recognized one social unit larger than

by RonPurewal Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:06 am

anand.balaji02 Wrote:If i give an option F like

F. tribes who interacted with one another more often than among

will it be correct?


no, because "interacted among" doesn't make sense. if "X" is actually one of the parties in a given interaction, it only makes sense to say "X interacted with Y".

you can talk about "[i]interactions between
X and Y", but that's not what this sentence is doing.
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Re: The Kwakiutl recognized one social unit larger than

by anand.balaji02 Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:15 pm

Thanks Ron
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Re: The Kwakiutl recognized one social unit larger than

by jnelson0612 Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:58 am

Thanks.
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Re: The Kwakiutl recognized one social unit larger than

by joinashish Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:03 am

thanks, a wonderful explanation. cleared lot of doubts
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Re: The Kwakiutl recognized one social unit larger than

by RonPurewal Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:40 am

good stuff.
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Re: The Kwakiutl recognized one social unit larger than

by saintjingjing Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:35 am

rtfact Wrote:source: gmatprep 2, q. 30.

The Kwakiutl recognized one social unit larger than the tribe-the confederacy, which was a cluster of loosely knit, informally related neighboring tribes who interacted with themselves more often than between other tribes.

A. tribes who interacted with themselves more often than between
B. tribes who interacted among each other more often than among
C. tribes who interacted with one another more often than with
D. tribes, interacting among each other more often than between
E. tribes, interacting among one another more often than with

OA: C


Since there are more than two tribes interacting, we can not use "between". I eliminated A,D.
It seems that in E, interacting refers to "the confederacy", although I am not sure. If it does, then the interaction can not be among one another.
Between B and C, I am clueless. I would appreciate any help, thanks.



en, hmm? I see this guy say Since there are more than two tribes interacting, we can not use "between". I eliminated A.
why other people think this thinking is a little odd? since there are many examples, "between themselves" or else....

so open to discuss thanks in advance
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Re: The Kwakiutl recognized one social unit larger than

by RonPurewal Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:34 am

saintjingjing Wrote:en, hmm? I see this guy say Since there are more than two tribes interacting, we can not use "between". I eliminated A.
why other people think this thinking is a little odd? since there are many examples, "between themselves" or else....

so open to discuss thanks in advance


you can say "interactions between other tribes", but "X interacted between other tribes" is wrong. (note that this part of the sentences follows tribes who interacted...)

by the same token, you can't use "X interacted among other tribes", either.
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Re: The Kwakiutl recognized one social unit larger than

by aps_asks Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:03 pm

Is choice A) inferior due to bad parallelism ?
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Re: The Kwakiutl recognized one social unit larger than

by RonPurewal Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:56 am

aps_asks Wrote:Is choice A) inferior due to bad parallelism ?


no, the parallelism in (a) isn't any worse than the parallelism in the other choices.

* "between" is illogical, for reasons that i explained in the post directly on top of yours.

* "interacted with themselves" seems to imply that they actually talked to themselves, like crazy street people (as opposed to interacting with each other).
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Re: The Kwakiutl recognized one social unit larger than

by konaabhigna Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:38 am

rtfact wrote:
source: gmatprep 2, q. 30.

The Kwakiutl recognized one social unit larger than the tribe-the confederacy, which was a cluster of loosely knit, informally related neighboring tribes who interacted with themselves more often than between other tribes.

A. tribes who interacted with themselves more often than between
B. tribes who interacted among each other more often than among
C. tribes who interacted with one another more often than with
D. tribes, interacting among each other more often than between
E. tribes, interacting among one another more often than with

OA: C


Since there are more than two tribes interacting, we can not use "between". I eliminated A,D.
It seems that in E, interacting refers to "the confederacy", although I am not sure. If it does, then the interaction can not be among one another.
Between B and C, I am clueless. I would appreciate any help, thanks.


2 idiom errors in (b):
* "interact" MUST be paired with "with". "interact between" and "interact among" are unidiomatic.
* "among each other" is unidiomatic (as is "between each other"); you should write "among themselves" or "between themselves". but, again, this doesn't work with "interact" anyway, so the issue is moot here

Hi Ron,
I was under the impression that among is used for more than two things and between is used for 2 things.

In that case can we write between themselves?

Please correct me if I am wrong

Regards,
abhi
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Re: The Kwakiutl recognized one social unit larger than

by RonPurewal Wed Mar 05, 2014 2:05 pm

* As stated above, "interact" can't be used with "between" or "among".

* In this context"”"a cluster of tribes""”there are clearly more than two tribes. So, "between" wouldn't work.

In a different context, with only two things/people, "between themselves" could work.
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Re: The Kwakiutl recognized one social unit larger than

by konaabhigna Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:36 pm

Thank you Ron

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