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Re: Sentence correction

by RonPurewal Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:32 am

noor_dalhousie Wrote:Hi Ron

I negated C thinking that its a run on sentence. Please explain as to why "each of colonies consisting of.." is not a run on sentence.

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Where'd you see "each of colonies consisting of..."? That's not in any of the choices.

This is a legitimate kind of modifier. As one of the posters above wrote, it appears to be called an "absolute phrase", so you can google that term for more examples. But, as with every other construction in every language, the point is just to recognize that it's a thing.

Rebecca finished shoveling the snow, her hands trembling from the cold.
Same sort of modifier.
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Re: Sentence correction

by tushaw Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:19 pm

RonPurewal Wrote:
imhimanshujaggi Wrote:Why option B is wrong. Can you explain it.


another issue with (b) is that "each of them" seems to refer to the twenty animals; it's not a good modifier.
to see what i'm saying, temporarily remove the words that follow "each of them":
...colonies of approximately twenty animals, with each of them...
--> when you read this, your first instinct is almost certainly that "them" is the animals, because the sentence has explicitly spelled out that there are a certain number (= twenty) of them.



My confusion is with the modifier "each of which consists..." in choice A. A modifier can jump a prepositional phrase (PP) if the PP defines the noun (colonies) before it. In A I believe this is fine. Now if we use context to assign the modifier "each of which", then "colonies" is preferred over "animals".

I selected choice C over A because I felt choice C is more clear than A in highlighting what "each" should refer to.

Please let me know if there is any other reason why A is wrong. According to me C was just more concise and clearer than A.

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Re: Sentence correction

by RonPurewal Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:01 am

Please let me know if there is any other reason why A is wrong. According to me C was just more concise and clearer than A.

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My explanation for choice B (in your quoted text) also applies to A.

Essentially, I agree with you here, but I think you may be understating the problem with choice A: It's basically impossible to understand in a single read-through.
If your eyes see "... colonies of 20 animals, each of which ____...", then you will definitely think that "_____" is going to describe the animals, unless you are informed in advance of the intended meaning.

In general, when GMAC has allowed which-modifiers to describe things of the form "noun + preposition + other noun", they've avoided this issue by making "other noun" incompatible with the modifier.
E.g., Susan's letters to Emily, which were...
Here, we know that "which were" CAN'T refer to Emily, for two different reasons: (a) "which" can't refer to people, and (b) Emily is not plural.

In any case, I'd say the most important value of this problem lies in reminding you to compare the answer choices, rather than to attempt individual evaluations.
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Re: Sentence correction

by tushaw Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:12 pm

RonPurewal Wrote:

If your eyes see "... colonies of 20 animals, each of which ____...", then you will definitely think that "_____" is going to describe the animals, unless you are informed in advance of the intended meaning.


I read this option as "... colonies ..., each of which ____...". So I thought "___" describes colonies. And this makes sense because "each animal cannot consist of female and workers"


I agree that comparing choices A and C helped me pick the correct answer.

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Re: Sentence correction

by RonPurewal Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:44 am

You're welcome.

If you mean that you understood that immediately"”without slowing down or re-reading"”the first time you read the sentence, that's impressive.
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Re: Sentence correction

by MeghaV725 Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:03 am

gmatango Wrote:Hi Ron,

Just want to understand whether the modifier in C 'each colony consisting .......' is an absolute phrase. If not then could you please explain what kind of modifier is it.

By absolute phrase I mean one in blue in the sentence below.
Their slender bodies sleek and black against the orange sky, the storks circled high above us.



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Hi
Can you please explain why the modifier in C can not be an absolute phrase?
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Re: Sentence correction

by tim Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:05 am

Why does it matter? In other words, how will knowing whether you can attach an obscure label to a construction help you on the GMAT? As Ron is fond of pointing out, you can do very well on SC without using a bunch of terminology; in fact, it often gets in the way of understanding what's really going on in the problem.
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Re: Sentence correction

by MeghaV725 Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:06 pm

I read and learnt this topic recently so just thought of testing my "recently acquired knowledge" here. That is it :)
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Re: Sentence correction

by tim Sat Sep 13, 2014 10:47 pm

By all means, we would like to encourage you to test any relevant recently acquired knowledge here. The thing is, terminology is entirely irrelevant to sentence correction. What you should test is your understanding of how the pieces of a sentence work together and being able to recognize mistakes when you see them. After all, recognizing mistakes is literally the only thing you have to know for sentence correction!
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Re: Sentence correction

by MeghaV725 Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:47 am

Sure Tim! I get you :)
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Re: Sentence correction

by tim Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:55 pm

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Re: Sentence correction

by chetan86 Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:41 am

Hi Ron,

I want to know whether below constructions are correct?

1. Independent clause, each of [which/that + singular verb] --> does not require AND.
2. Independent clause, and each + singular verb --> 2 independent clause
3. Independent clause, each+noun+verb-ing modifier
4. Independent clause, each+noun+that clause

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Re: Sentence correction

by RonPurewal Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:31 am

assuming that "independent clause" just means "complete sentence", the first three are fine (as long as they make sense in context!).

the fourth one doesn't seem workable to me; it looks like an incorrect way to write sentences that could be written correctly as your #3 instead.

can you give an actual example of your #4? (trying to write "formulas" for SC is, in general, ill advised)
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Re: Sentence correction

by chetan86 Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:47 pm

RonPurewal Wrote:assuming that "independent clause" just means "complete sentence", the first three are fine (as long as they make sense in context!).

the fourth one doesn't seem workable to me; it looks like an incorrect way to write sentences that could be written correctly as your #3 instead.

can you give an actual example of your #4? (trying to write "formulas" for SC is, in general, ill advised)
thanks.


Hi Ron,

Thanks a lot for your confirmation.

I tried to create some sentences for example 4, but I think those sentences can be more meaningful with "Independent clause, NOUN+that clause" construction.

Actually, while solving QP1, I got almost all the questions wrong which were using "COMMA+each" construction, so I was trying to learn correct way to form sentences using subgroup modifier some/each. I always get confused with this kind of sentence construction.

Sorry to ask you one more question:
Whether Independent clause, each of them+verb-ing modifier construction is correct?

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Re: Sentence correction

by RonPurewal Wed Dec 24, 2014 7:03 am

"of them" creates redundancy; that idea is already contained in the meaning of "each". so, you're not likely to see that construction.