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GMAT PRER PROBLEM.PLEASE HELP

by sangeethmani Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:31 pm

Two centuries ago, Tufe Peninsula became separated form the mainland,
isolating on the newly formed Tufe
Island a population of Turfil sunflowers. This population’s
descendants grow to be, on average, 40 centimeters
shorter than Turfil sunflowers found on the mainland. Tufe Island is
significantly drier than Tufe Peninsula was.
So the current average height of Tufe’s Turfil sunflowers is
undoubtedly at least partially attributable to changes
in Tufe’s environmental conditions. Which of the following is an
assumption on which the argument
depends?
A. There are no types of vegetation on Tufe Island that are known to
benefit from dry conditions.
B. There were about as many Turfil sunflowers on Tufe Peninsula two
centuries ago as there are on Tufe Island
today.
C. The mainland’s environment has not changed in ways that have
resulted in Turfil sunflowers on the mainland
growing to be 40 centimeters taller than they did two centuries ago.
D. The soil on Tufe Island, unlike that on the mainland, lacks
important nutrients that help Turfil sunflowers survive
and grow tall in a dry environment.
E. The 40-centimeter height difference between the Turfil sunflowers
on Tufe Island and those on the mainland is
the only difference between the two populations.

Here the answer is C.. But my doubt is if I negate the answer choice
in C."The mainland’s environment has (not) changed in ways that have
resulted in Turfil sunflowers on the mainland".

It strengthens the argument that the flower grew taller as a result of
the environment. It does not attack the argument. Could you please
throw some light on this?

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Sangeetha
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Re: GMAT PRER PROBLEM.PLEASE HELP

by rajanbond Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:33 pm

Conclusion- the current average height of Tufe's Turfil sunflowers is undoubtedly at least partially attributable to changes in Tufe's environmental conditions.
This means that the changes in the newly formed island's climate caused the sunflower plants to get shorter.

We have to assume here that there were no changes on the main Island.

if you negate C, it means the climate on the mainland changed too. How will the conclusion or evidence hold true in that case? It could have become wetter which made the plants on the main island grow more and not the ones on the island grow less.
If climate at mainland changed then change in condition on Tufe island will not be contributed to small length of sunflowers. Something else will
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Re: GMAT PRER PROBLEM.PLEASE HELP

by mschwrtz Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:16 pm

That's right Rajan.

Just to clarify, the conclusion is not
the current average height of Tufe’s Turfil sunflowers is
undoubtedly at least partially attributable to differences between environmental condition on the mainland and on Tufe

or even
the current average height of Tufe’s Turfil sunflowers is
undoubtedly at least partially attributable to Tufe’s environmental conditions

but
the current average height of Tufe’s Turfil sunflowers is
undoubtedly at least partially attributable to changes
in Tufe’s environmental conditions


Neither of the false conclusions would be weakened if C were negated, but the real conclusion would be weakened.
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Re: GMAT PRER PROBLEM.PLEASE HELP

by vishalkankaria Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:08 pm

Hi,

I also wanted to understand why is "D" wrong?

The difference in soil contents could also be a possible cause for this difference, right?

Thanks,
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Re: GMAT PRER PROBLEM.PLEASE HELP

by RonPurewal Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:40 am

vishalkankaria Wrote:Hi,

I also wanted to understand why is "D" wrong?

The difference in soil contents could also be a possible cause for this difference, right?

Thanks,
Vishal


assumptions are things that are necessary to the argument, not just things that "could".
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Re: GMAT PRER PROBLEM.PLEASE HELP

by vijay19839 Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:09 am

Ron
Option D:-"The soil on Tufe Island, unlike that on the mainland, lacks important nutrients that help Turfil sunflowers survive and grow tall in a dry environment"

Option D clearly tells that Soil on Tufe Island is not suitable to grow Tall in a Dry environment.
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Re: GMAT PRER PROBLEM.PLEASE HELP

by jlucero Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:31 pm

vijay19839 Wrote:Ron
Option D:-"The soil on Tufe Island, unlike that on the mainland, lacks important nutrients that help Turfil sunflowers survive and grow tall in a dry environment"

Option D clearly tells that Soil on Tufe Island is not suitable to grow Tall in a Dry environment.


Be careful Vijay on what you are trying to accomplish. The question states:

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?

As Ron said above, assumptions are things that must be true. You are assuming that (D) is true, but that's not your job in this case. What if (D) wasn't true? Could you still make the argument that the height of the sunflowers has changed as a result of the environment? Sure. Maybe something else, such as water fall or animal populations caused the change.

(D) could be true.
(C) must be true, otherwise the conclusion does not stand. That's why (C) is the right answer.
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Re: GMAT PRER PROBLEM.PLEASE HELP

by jp.jprasanna Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:36 am

Hi Joe -

Is the below reasoning correct to eliminate D

Conclusion says -

So the current average height of Tufe’s Turfil sunflowers is undoubtedly at least partially attributable to changes in Tufe’s
environmental conditions.

The above bold part in the conclusion allows other causes also to account for changes in the height. Hence D cannot be assumptions.
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Re: GMAT PRER PROBLEM.PLEASE HELP

by jlucero Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:38 pm

jp.jprasanna Wrote:Hi Joe -

Is the below reasoning correct to eliminate D

Conclusion says -

So the current average height of Tufe’s Turfil sunflowers is undoubtedly at least partially attributable to changes in Tufe’s
environmental conditions.

The above bold part in the conclusion allows other causes also to account for changes in the height. Hence D cannot be assumptions.


No. Even if the bolded part of your conclusion were removed, the answer would still be (C). The conclusion is that changes in Tufe's environmental conditions caused (at least partially) the average height of Tufe's sunflowers to be different than on the mainland. The unstated assumption is that changes in the mainland's environmental conditions didn't cause those flowers height to be different.

Flower A & B used to be the same height 200 years ago

Today A is taller than B

If my conclusion is that B's conditions must have changed, my assumption is that A's conditions didn't.
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Re: GMAT PRER PROBLEM.PLEASE HELP

by madhu1989 Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:33 am

Dear GMAT instructors, please correct me if I am wrong.

Had the same question been a Strengthen the argument question, then D could probably be the right answer choice right? I just want to clear my head, cause D sounds like an additional piece of information which makes the conclusion more likely to be true.

Kindly clarify

Thanks,
Madhu
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Re: GMAT PRER PROBLEM.PLEASE HELP

by RonPurewal Wed Dec 25, 2013 5:09 am

That would strengthen the argument, yes... if you negate it.

i.e., if choice (d) is NOT true--in other words, if basically the same important nutrients are present in both locations--then the weather hypothesis starts to look better, since we've knocked out an alternate explanation.
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Re: GMAT PRER PROBLEM.PLEASE HELP

by madhu1989 Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:10 am

Thanks Ron :)
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Re: GMAT PRER PROBLEM.PLEASE HELP

by RonPurewal Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:56 am

madhu1989 Wrote:Thanks Ron :)


Sure.
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Re: GMAT PRER PROBLEM.PLEASE HELP

by gmatkiller_24 Sun Feb 15, 2015 11:58 pm

why D seems to me as a weaken?

here we have a diagram is: dry environment → lower height

if the soil lack some important nutrients, then the soil might be another possible cause: soil → lower height?

is there any wrong with this thinking, please clarify, thanks!
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Re: GMAT PRER PROBLEM.PLEASE HELP

by RonPurewal Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:59 am

1131570003 Wrote:why D seems to me as a weaken?

here we have a diagram is: dry environment → lower height

if the soil lack some important nutrients, then the soil might be another possible cause: soil → lower height?

is there any wrong with this thinking, please clarify, thanks!


you're basically correct here. (i edited my earlier post; i think i read the original passage backward, and so was thinking that the flowers on the mainland were shorter. ah, dyslexia.)

in fact, the argument is assuming pretty much exactly the opposite of choice (d). (if we're saying that the weather is the cause, then we're assuming that other things--including the stuff in the soil--are not the cause.)