For the last five years the Dutch economy has grown faster

[RonPurewal]

Why "with the unemployment rate..." in D is wrong? How that phrase is different from "and the unemployment rat..." in E?

Pls, explain.

the gmat doesn't require you to know the workings of "a/an/the", so it's not a good idea to focus on that part of the construction.
to eliminate that choice, note my comments above regarding "economy" (which doesn't make sense in this context) vs. "economies" (which does).

[tapdoan_hp]

I get confused with your explanation when encountering this OG 12 question

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[RonPurewal]

sorry tapdoan_hp, we don't allow OG problems on this forum.

welcome to the forum, by the way -- but please read the forum rules (at the top of every folder on the forum) before you start posting. thanks in advance.

[zhongshanlh]

this prep problem is somewhat weird.

in the underlined part of the sentence, we know that the three different countries should have three different economies, so, in the correct answer,we choose the option that contains "the economies of Britain, France, and Germany".

however , if we take a look at the end of the whole sentence, we notice that it uses the expression"that of the other three countries".

i think that since Britain, France and Germany are three independent countries, they should have their own economies and unemployment rates.

so this problem is inconsistent in the different part of its sentence.

[tim]

of course they all have their own economies, but you have no reason to know that the unemployment rate is not identical among those three countries..

[alicezyk]

Hi Ron. I eliminated E simply because I think those 2 things are not independent. So " And" is not proper there. Since the low unemployment rate is an result of the growing economy.
This is what I learned from one of your lecture teaching about " and ".
But it didn't work here..
So I am confused.
Under what situation I can use " and" to eliminate choices?
Does the rule only apply to very strong cause and effect relationship?

Thanks!

[jnelson0612]

Hi Ron. I eliminated E simply because I think those 2 things are not independent. So " And" is not proper there. Since the low unemployment rate is an result of the growing economy.
This is what I learned from one of your lecture teaching about " and ".
But it didn't work here..
So I am confused.
Under what situation I can use " and" to eliminate choices?
Does the rule only apply to very strong cause and effect relationship?

Thanks!

Be careful! This is okay. Note that we don't simply have an "and" connecting these two independent clauses, we have a "comma +and". A "comma + and" connects two independent clauses. See more here: comma-and-vs-and-t11444.html

[ciel.jiang527]

[quote="RonPurewal"

2) "with the unemployment rate that has remained"
--> implies, without justification, that the dutch economy is the ONLY economy with an unemployment rate that has satisfied this criterion.[/quote]



hi,ron, i'm sorry for picking up this "old" question.

i want to know whether the choice D with the unemployment rate thaat has remained here is an Absolute Construction ?

if "yes", tell me its subject in logical plz. :(


thanks in advance!

[ciel.jiang527]

hi Ron :
I want to know why D is wrong?
Thanks

two big reasons

1) "the economy of Britain, France, and Germany"
--> illogically implies that these three countries share only one economy. (note that the correct answer correctly uses the plural "economies" to refer to the existence of three different economies.)

2) "with the unemployment rate that has remained"
--> implies, without justification, that the dutch economy is the ONLY economy with an unemployment rate that has satisfied this criterion.

hi,ron, i'm sorry for picking up this "old" question.

i want to know whether the choice D with the unemployment rate thaat has remained here is an Absolute Construction ?

if "yes", tell me its subject in logical plz. :(


thanks in advance!

...im still waiting for you! :)

[tim]

first, be careful bumping questions. every time you do that it puts the question at the absolute end of the queue for us to answer. bumping a question is the most effective way to cause a delay in getting your question answered. it is also extremely presumptuous to expect an answer within 15 hours on this FREE forum. some of us are only on the forums once or twice a week..

as for your question, i can assure you Ron would say the same thing as i will: i have no idea what an "absolute construction" is, and that has never kept me from correctly answering a sentence correction question. knowledge of TERMS is not important for the GMAT; instead, you should concentrating on being able to spot errors in grammar or meaning. studying anything outside this narrow context will be a waste of your time..

[alicezyk]

Hi Ron. I eliminated E simply because I think those 2 things are not independent. So " And" is not proper there. Since the low unemployment rate is an result of the growing economy.
This is what I learned from one of your lecture teaching about " and ".
But it didn't work here..
So I am confused.
Under what situation I can use " and" to eliminate choices?
Does the rule only apply to very strong cause and effect relationship?

Thanks!

Be careful! This is okay. Note that we don't simply have an "and" connecting these two independent clauses, we have a "comma +and". A "comma + and" connects two independent clauses. See more here: comma-and-vs-and-t11444.html

Thanks so much Jamie!
The post regarding " comma+and" & and is so helpful!
:P

[tim]

glad to hear it!

[thanghnvn]

pls check the oa, I think D is oa.

the economy of a, b and c can be correct
because
the unemployment rat of a, b,c is correct. This part appears in non underlined part.

in E, "the unemployment rate" refers to what. it is not clear the rate is of which country. so E is wrong.

if oa is D, we learn the new thing which is "the economy of 3 countries" is correct and "the rate of 3 countries" is correct.

[tim]

what makes you think the OA is D? Ron already explained why D is wrong..

[xyq121573]

2) "with the unemployment rate that has remained"
--> implies, without justification, that the dutch economy is the ONLY economy with an unemployment rate that has satisfied this criterion.

i don't really understand why ''with..." indicates "ONLY". is there anything special about "with"? thks in advance~