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Re: Q23 - Politician: The current crisis

by ohthatpatrick Fri Dec 31, 1999 8:00 pm

Great response.

One quick bit of feedback, though ... this isn't an argument, so you don't need to think in terms of Premises and a Conclusion.

Whenever the question stem is asking about information/statements/passage, we're just reading a bunch of facts. There's isn't one idea we're supposed to elevate over the others (as we would a conclusion).

For Joymarie, this question and its answer choices are all about testing conditional logic, so it's super important you know how to deal with all the trigger words.

1st sentence:
The trigger word is "if". "If" always comes right before a sufficient condition, so we symbolize the first sentence
Competitive --> overcome crisis.

(note, "only if" is not the same as "if". "only if" always comes right before a necessary condition)

2nd sentence:
The trigger word is "requires". "Requires" always comes right before a necessary condition, so we symbolize the 2nd sentence as
Overcome crisis --> successful teaching methods

3rd sentence:
The trigger word is "No", as in "No A's are B's". This one is trickier. The "No" should be attached to the 2nd idea.

No A's are B's = All A's are ~B's

No NFL players are female = All NFL players are ~female.

Here, the 2nd idea in the sentence is already negative, "does NOT get students to spend signif out of class time", so when we negate it, it turns positive.

Succ. teaching method --> DOES involve signif. out of class time

Finally,
(A) uses "if" again, and this is set up in order already.

(B) uses "unless", which is the other tricky trigger word.

You can remember how to deal with "Unless" by just thinking "Un-Left", meaning you just have to negate the first half of the sentence.

(Crisis can NOT be overcome) unless (signif. time out of class)
becomes
Crisis CAN be overcome --> Signif. time out of class.

==== other answers ==

(C) "as important" is a baseless comparison ... learn to be afraid of comparative wording in Inference, Necessary Assumption, and Reading Comp. It's an easy way to make a trap answer out of some concept we talked about.

(D) "only if" indicates a necessary condition, so this looks like
Signif time outside of class --> Remain Competitive
(this, again, is reversed logic. we could infer the other direction)

(E) This one is pretty tricky to me. We have a series of required conditions here.

Remaining competitive in the global economy
requires
overcoming the crisis in math education
which requires
employing successful teaching methods
which requires
getting students to spend a lot of time on math outside of class.

(E) seems somewhat tempting to me because I know that if we DON'T get students to spend a lot of time outside class then we WON'T remain competitive.

But from that, can I say that if we DO get students to spend a lot of time outside class it will HELP us to remain competitive?

Not really.

See if this feels better:
Being President of the US
requires
that you are at least 35 years old.

From that, can you infer that being at least 35 years old HELPS you to become President of the US?

I can definitely see someone trying to argue the semantics that by meeting one prerequisite, you are "HELPED" in the journey to any goal (in that you are not totally disqualified from reaching the goal). But we can hopefully agree that (E) is making a bit of a stretch, whereas (B) is just cold, mathematical logic.

;)

Hope this helps.


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Q23 - Politician: The current crisis

by cdc3d Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:16 pm

I think I got this question wrong because I incorrectly diagrammed the last sentence in this paragraph. When reviewing my errors, I got the right answer, but I found the conditional logic in the final sentence to be a little hairy. Would someone let me know if they agree with my logic? I just want to make sure I didn't mistakenly select the correct answer!
I diagrammed the paragraph as:
remain competitive --> overcome current crisis
overcome current crisis --> employment of successful teaching methods
successful teaching methods --> students spend a significant amt of time ... studying

I thought the final sentence was implying that, for a method of teaching to be successful, the method required students to spend a significant amount of time studying. Furthermore, if event B is required for event A, then A's presence is sufficient to guarantee the presence of B. Thus, "students spend a significant amt of time...studying" was the necessary condition, thereby making "successful teaching methods" the sufficient condition.

Therefore, the correct answer that follows logically essentially synthesizes two components of the logic chain, and is thus answer choice (B): overcome current crisis --> students spend a significant amount of time ... studying.

Does this make sense? Am I on the right track?

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Re: Q23 - Politician: The current crisis

by aileenann Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:06 pm

Let's take a look at that last sentence in the argument:

No method of teaching a subject can succeed that does not get students to spend a significant amount of time outside of class studying that subject.

Diagramming that directly brings us to,

- If a teaching method does NOT require significant time, then that teaching method CANNOT be successful.

-(and the contrapositive) If a teaching method CAN succeed l, then it requires significant time

One thing that worries me slightly about your logic is that you seem to have elided the possibility of success with certainty of success. This statement is only saying there is potential once you require enough study time, but that does not seem to be a guarantee alone.

So why is (B) the answer? For very similar reasons that you outlined above, except that you must realize that (B) itself does not imply that a significant amount of time studying will be sufficient to overcome the current crisis in mathematics - it is the necessary but not the sufficient condition.

So overall, I like the work you did - I'd only be careful not to elide potentialities with guarantees, as that can cost you points on the LSAT sometimes.

Again good luck tomorrow!
 
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Re: Q23 - Politician: The current crisis

by Joymarie.virga Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:12 pm

I understand why B is correct but I choose A because they seem to be the same answer worded differently. Can someone please explain the difference?
 
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Re: Q23 - Politician: The current crisis

by sumukh09 Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:19 pm

Joymarie.virga Wrote:I understand why B is correct but I choose A because they seem to be the same answer worded differently. Can someone please explain the difference?



Premise 1: Crisis Overcome ---> Successful Teaching Methods
Premise 2: Successful Teaching Methods ---> Spend Significant Time

Conclusion: Remain Competitive ---> Crisis Overcome

A says: Spend Significant Time ---> Crisis Overcome

But that's reversed logic

B) on the other hand says: Crisis Overcome ---> Spend Significant Time which is logically inferable since it follows the direction of the logic in the stimulus

ie) Crisis Overcome ---> Successful Teaching Methods ---> Spend Significant Time
 
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Re: Q23 - Politician: The current crisis

by MinahK651 Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:59 pm

I am confused about (E) because when I linked up statements,
I thought it was a stretch to link up "crisis in mathematics education MUST be overcome" to be the same trigger as
" alleviating this crisis requires.." in the second statement in the stimulus.
Since I chained two statements that did not have the same sureness (MUST vs. alleviate), i thought it (e) would be a better choice because
(e) says it would "help" which is closer to ALLEVIATE.
I don't understand how something that alleviates a crisis (successful teaching which gets students to spend a significant time) can be put into a statement
(B) " The current crisis in mathematics education WILL be overcome then students spend a significant amount of time outside of class studying mathematics."
 
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Re: Q23 - Politician: The current crisis

by RamseyM415 Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:55 am

This is a dumb question because of (E). While (B) is obviously correct and definitely what the question writers were going for here, (E) definitely works as well, which caused me to waste a lot of time going through (B) and (E) multiple times.

Ask any mathematician about (E) and they'll tell you that eliminating the possibility of an occurrence that would necessarily result in a zero probability of a third thing happening, necessarily increases the chances of that third thing happening. And any English teacher could tell you that "increasing the chance of something happening" is reducible to "helping that thing to happen."