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Q18 - Every delegate to the convention

by jgmartin82 Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:50 pm

We’ve got three statements to work with here, let’s take a look:

1. Every delegate to the convention is a party member
2. Some delegates are government officials
3. Every government official at the convention is a speaker at the convention

(C) concludes that some speakers are delegates. We know that some of the delegates are government officials and from this we know that some government officials are delegates. Couple that with the fact that every one of the government officials will speak and we can conclude that some of the speakers will be delegates. Bingo!

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(A) is unsupported by the statements. Knowing our inference rules here is useful. If every A is B, what can we conclude? The answer is that some B is A. For (A), we know every delegate is a party member, but we cannot conclude the reverse: that every party member is a delegate. Eliminate.
(B) concludes that some of the speakers are neither delegates nor party members. What do we know about the speakers? From the second statement, we know that some of them are government officials. Since government officials make up some of the delegates, we can also say that some of the speakers are delegates, and therefore party members. That’s as far as we can go though; eliminate.
(D) makes the same mistake as A. We know every government official is a speaker; we cannot conclude the reverse. We can’t conclude anything about all speakers. Eliminate.
(E) is unsupported by the statements. Can we conclude anything about every government official? Only that they’re all speakers. Elminate.

Note that A, D, and E all make strong inferences using words like every and all. To be clear, this doesn’t mean they’re wrong, but the most extreme part of any claim is the most likely to have overreached, so when we’re eliminating, it’s helpful to focus on those parts.

With these types of problems, sometimes a picture can be helpful. Ideally this will be a mental picture, but if there’s time and it’s necessary, we could draw a quick sketch out. Here’s an example of how a picture may have looked:

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When using this image, we must be careful to remember we’re looking at all of the delegates, but government officials, speakers, and party members are not necessarily completely represented; there could be member of those groups not at the convention. Using the diagram, we could eliminate (A) because there could be other party members out there, (D) because there could be other speakers out there, and (E) because there could be other government officials out there. The diagram doesn’t support (B)’s contention but certainly supports (C).
 
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Re: Q18 - Every delegate to the convention is a party member

by fhyfan Wed May 08, 2013 3:36 pm

Can you elaborate more on why E isn't correct? Based on your diagram, every official is a party member.
 
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Re: Q18 - Every delegate to the convention is a party member

by samuelfbaron Mon May 27, 2013 12:51 am

DC --> PM

DC some --> GO

GO --> S

Therefore: DC --> S
 
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Re: Q18 - Every delegate to the convention is a party member

by sumukh09 Mon May 27, 2013 12:58 am

fhyfan Wrote:Can you elaborate more on why E isn't correct? Based on your diagram, every official is a party member.


1. Delegate ---> Party Member
2. Delegate (some) Government Official ---> Speaker

E says: GO ---> PM

But this is an invalid linkage
 
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Re: Q18 - Every delegate to the convention

by ptewarie Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:58 pm

Remember, that SOME can go "both" directions, unlike "most". They can also " reverse" a necessary portion of a statement.
Like this:

So:

1. Delegate to convention--> Party Member
2. SOME Delegate to convention are Govt officials
3. If Govt Official---> speaker at convention

Lets connect the terms through linkage:

Speaker < ---Gov't officials SOME Delegate --> Party Member


Immediately, one can note the following inferences:

#1:Delegate SOME Speaker
#2: Govt official SOME party member

sure, there's other more easier inferences as in
Govt official SOME speaker and vice versa
and
Govt official Some delegate and vice versa

But in most inference formal logic questions, especially if they are a #18( or as a matter of fact anywhere between 10-19), it's unlikely it will be that simple.


Well, Answer choice C is a perfect match.
Some speakers at convention are delegates. If you notice, this is the inference we made in #1. Some people would claim but this is the opposite of what we had. That's true. The beauty of "Some", however, is that the opposite is warranted and allowed.
 
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Re: Q18 - Every delegate to the convention is a party member

by miaohualiu2014 Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:05 am

fhyfan Wrote:Can you elaborate more on why E isn't correct? Based on your diagram, every official is a party member.


My reason for why E is wrong:

EVERY Delegate at the convention is Party Member.
SOME Delegate at the convention are Government Officials. Can you infer from this statement that Government Officials at the convention are all Delegates? No, we don’t know. There might be some GOs at the convention who are not Ds, therefore are not PMs, such as GOs who take care of the security. So E is wrong by saying Every GO at the convention is a party member. But if it is “every GO who is a D is also a PM", then it is correct.