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Re: "such as" in "Bethlehem Steel"

by RonPurewal Sun Jun 21, 2015 3:56 pm

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Re: "such as" in "Bethlehem Steel"

by urfrnd.niks Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:15 am

Dear Team,

I see a meaning issue with D.

It looks like that the steel industry has change with integrated steel industries.

I know that there is a structural error here. But i'd like you to comment whether I am thinking in the right direction.

Thanks !
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Re: "such as" in "Bethlehem Steel"

by RichaChampion Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:08 am

RonPurewal Wrote:it's good that you are thinking about meaning.
ironically, though, choice C is wrong for purely mechanical reasons (= issues that have nothing to do with meaning).

the problem here is overall structure: the correct answer is a sentence, but choice C is not a sentence.

if we strip off the modifiers, leaving the "skeleton" (= core structure) of each choice, here's what we get:

B/
The industry has changed, as companies have downsized or shut down.
--> this is a sentence.

C/
The industry has changed, with companies have downsized or shut down.
--> this is not a sentence ("with" can't be followed by a complete sentence).


Thank you ron sir I have taken a note of this.
So far I was aware that two Independent clauses can be joined by this rule -

IC, FANBOYS IC


Now I have taken a note that as can also connect two sentence. This has raised a question mark in my awareness that I have some Knowledge gap with as understanding.

I knew so far that Like is used to compare noun and as is used to compare action. Can you please comment on the versatile usage of as in GMAT.

I have one more question, can you please also comment if while in D is also breaking the structure?
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Re: "such as" in "Bethlehem Steel"

by thanghnvn Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:12 am

though I choose B, the oa, I do not understand why D is wrong. pls, help. thank you
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Re: "such as" in "Bethlehem Steel"

by RonPurewal Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:29 am

'while' implies contrast; there is no contrast in this sentence.
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Re: "such as" in "Bethlehem Steel"

by 750plus Sun Aug 02, 2015 5:39 pm

Team,

Please confirm if A and E are not sentences.

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Re: "such as" in "Bethlehem Steel"

by RajanA556 Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:51 pm

Dear Ron,

I eliminated C,D and E because of the wrong usage of 'and , while and with'.

As per my understanding, apart from other errors , these answer choices have meaning issues.

Original meaning- the steel industry has changed radically as large companies have greatly downsized.

Here, the usage of 'as' shows the reasoning part.

While 'with' cannot be used to show reasining.Can we eliminate C based on the this reason?

Thanks in advance!!

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Re: "such as" in "Bethlehem Steel"

by RonPurewal Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:05 am

you're right about 'and' and 'while'. both of those clash with the intended message.

'with', on the other hand, is not a problem from a logical standpoint. in fact, if the sentence said
The steel industry has changed radically over the last two decades, with many large companies downsizing or shutting down altogether
...then it would be quite correct.

the problem with choice C is purely mechanical: it's not a sentence!
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Re: "such as" in "Bethlehem Steel"

by RonPurewal Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:06 am

RonPurewal Wrote:'with', on the other hand, is not a problem from a logical standpoint. in fact, if the sentence said
The steel industry has changed radically over the last two decades, with many large companies downsizing or shutting down altogether
...then it would be quite correct.


for more about this kind of construction ^^ read here:
https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/foru ... ml#p102567 (and the following post)
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Re: "such as" in "Bethlehem Steel"

by 750plus Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:06 am

750plus Wrote:Team,

Please confirm if A and E are not sentences.

Thanks


I think the question got missed.

Please if you can help.

Thanks
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Re: "such as" in "Bethlehem Steel"

by RonPurewal Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:07 am

correct, those are not sentences.

those two are written like The car was here earlier is now gone (as opposed to the correct answer, which is written like The car that was here earlier is now gone.
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Re: "such as" in "Bethlehem Steel"

by 750plus Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:38 am

RonPurewal Wrote:correct, those are not sentences.

those two are written like The car was here earlier is now gone (as opposed to the correct answer, which is written like The car that was here earlier is now gone.


yes! Thanks for the confirmation, Mr. Purewal.

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Re: "such as" in "Bethlehem Steel"

by tim Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:21 am

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Re: "such as" in "Bethlehem Steel"

by RonPurewal Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:23 am

750plus Wrote:Thanks for the confirmation, Mr. Purewal.

you're welcome.
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Re: "such as" in "Bethlehem Steel"

by RajanA556 Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:28 am

Thank you so much Ron for clearing my doubt. happy now.

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