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Scholars who once thought Native American

by liu1993918 Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:02 am

Scholars who once thought Native American literatures were solely oral narratives recorded by missionaries or anthropologists now understand this body of work to consist of both oral literatures and the written works of Native American authors, who have been publishing since 1772.
A. Scholars who once thought Native American literatures were solely oral narratives
B. Scholars thinking of Native American literatures once solely as oral narratives, and
C. Scholars who once had thought of Native American literatures solely as oral narratives and
D. Native American literatures, which some scholars once thought were solely oral narratives
E. Native American literatures, which some scholars once, thinking they were solely oral narratives

This question is a GMAT PREP question.
The OA is A. I believe this question is quite simple. Actually, I want to ask about the part which is not underlined.

I simplify the sentence: Scholars now understand this body of work to consist of both oral literatures and the written works. I am confused about the usage of " to " here. Is it a idiom?
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Re: Scholars who once thought Native American

by jnelson0612 Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:48 pm

liu1993918 Wrote:Scholars who once thought Native American literatures were solely oral narratives recorded by missionaries or anthropologists now understand this body of work to consist of both oral literatures and the written works of Native American authors, who have been publishing since 1772.
A. Scholars who once thought Native American literatures were solely oral narratives
B. Scholars thinking of Native American literatures once solely as oral narratives, and
C. Scholars who once had thought of Native American literatures solely as oral narratives and
D. Native American literatures, which some scholars once thought were solely oral narratives
E. Native American literatures, which some scholars once, thinking they were solely oral narratives

This question is a GMAT PREP question.
The OA is A. I believe this question is quite simple. Actually, I want to ask about the part which is not underlined.

I simplify the sentence: Scholars now understand this body of work to consist of both oral literatures and the written works. I am confused about the usage of " to " here. Is it a idiom?


Let me give you a simpler comparable sentence:
I understand your group of jokes to consist of lots of "knock knock" jokes.

I understand your family to consist of lots of lawyers.

The "to consist" is just an infinitive or untensed verb. I know that it can look kind of weird! :-)
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Re: Scholars who once thought Native American

by 750plus Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:55 pm

Team,

Can you please explain the errors with choice D and E.

Thank you so much.
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Re: Scholars who once thought Native American

by tim Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:04 pm

What is the subject? What is the verb? Insertion of the "which" phrase makes these sentence fragments.
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Re: Scholars who once thought Native American

by 750plus Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:06 am

I really can't get your point, Mr. Sanders.

Subject is Native American literatures
I cannot locate a verb.

So you mean to say that they are wrong because there is no Verb.

Is the structure of D and E like this Subject, Modifier 1, Modifier 2

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Re: Scholars who once thought Native American

by RonPurewal Sun Jun 21, 2015 4:44 pm

correct; those choices are just 'noun + modifiers'.
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Re: Scholars who once thought Native American

by 750plus Sun Jun 21, 2015 4:49 pm

RonPurewal Wrote:correct; those choices are just 'noun + modifiers'.


Thanks for the confirmation, Mr.Purewal.
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Re: Scholars who once thought Native American

by tim Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:40 pm

Yeah, you totally got it right. There is no verb, so those choices are incorrect.
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Re: Scholars who once thought Native American

by RonPurewal Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:45 am

RajatG730 Wrote:Thanks for the confirmation, Mr.Purewal.


sure.
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Re: Scholars who once thought Native American

by DiJ92 Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:18 am

Dear ron

I have several questions

1. in choice b, does "once" have a problem about modifying ambiguity: it can modify" thinking of "also can modify"solely as". is there any meaning difference between these two circumstances.

2 in choice c,, had thought is a wrong verb tense because of no sign of past tense

3 in choice d and e if we want to use a "comma, which" modifier in the middle of a sentence, it should have two commas, right?

please evaluate reasoning

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Re: Scholars who once thought Native American

by RonPurewal Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:38 pm

DiJ92 Wrote:1. in choice b, does "once" have a problem about modifying ambiguity: it can modify" thinking of "also can modify"solely as". is there any meaning difference between these two circumstances.


this approach ^^ makes things much more difficult than they need to be.

here's all the reasoning that is necessary:

• in context, 'once' is clearly meant to describe thought.

• thus 'once' should be placed as close as possible to thought.

• the placement is closer in choice A than in choice B.

• thus eliminate B.

you won't need to worry about 'hmmm maybe this might be somewhat kinda ambiguous?'... because instead you can just objectively COMPARE the placement of the modifier in the different answer choices.

in other words, it's a 'beauty contest'. this is NOT the sort of thing you should be trying to evaluate in individual answer choices.
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Re: Scholars who once thought Native American

by RonPurewal Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:40 pm

2 in choice c,, had thought is a wrong verb tense because of no sign of past tense


^^ yes.

if the scholars' realization were also presented in a past timeframe, then that tense could work:
Last year, scholars who had long believed the principles of the xxxxxxx theory were shocked by the discovery of irrefutable counterevidence.
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Re: Scholars who once thought Native American

by RonPurewal Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:43 pm

3 in choice d and e if we want to use a "comma, which" modifier in the middle of a sentence, it should have two commas, right?


yes, unless the modifier extends all the way to the end of the sentence.

those choices have far bigger problems, though.
even if you throw another comma in there, you still have 'NA literatures' as the subject... so you still end up with a sentence that says 'NA literatures ... now understand xxxx' (!!)
total nonsense meaning.

remember, this exam does not test the presence/absence of punctuation.
so, while your point here is valid, you should know that there will ALWAYS be another problem (and you should be sure to find it when you review).
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Re: Scholars who once thought Native American

by DiJ92 Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:47 am

Really Thank you :D :D
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Re: Scholars who once thought Native American

by tim Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:49 am

:)
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