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SC: Unlike [u]the short flights of the shuttle and

by cesar.rodriguez.blanco Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:31 am

I do not understand what is the difference between B and D.
OA is D.

Unlike the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, which carried sufficient power in fuel cells and batteries, a permanently orbiting space station will have to generate its own electricity.

A: the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, which carried sufficient power in fuel cells and batteries
B: the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, with sufficient enough power in fuel cells and batteries for their short flights
C: the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, which enabled them to carry sufficient enough power in fuel cells and batteries
D: the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, which were capable of carrying sufficient power in fuel cells and batteries for their short flights
E: the flights of the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, whose shortness allowed them to carry sufficient power in fuel cells and batteri
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Re: SC: Unlike [u]the short flights of the shuttle and

by sunny.jain Sun Sep 06, 2009 11:21 pm

Sufficient - enough : more or less same meaning in B.
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Re: SC: Unlike [u]the short flights of the shuttle and

by cesar.rodriguez.blanco Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:03 am

What do you mean?
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Re: SC: Unlike [u]the short flights of the shuttle and

by sunny.jain Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:17 pm

either you need Sufficient fuel for
Or you need enough fuel for their flight.

Using together "sufficient + enough" is not good way.

just for your knowledge, MGMAT test a lot about "enough"

Enough has two possible idiom:
enough to
enough for

Water was hot enough to boil the vegetables.
water was hot enough for me to boil the vegetables.

Use:
X enough to Y
More emphasis on Y.
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Re: SC: Unlike [u]the short flights of the shuttle and

by RonPurewal Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:30 am

sunny.jain Wrote:either you need Sufficient fuel for
Or you need enough fuel for their flight.

Using together "sufficient + enough" is not good way.

just for your knowledge, MGMAT test a lot about "enough"

Enough has two possible idiom:
enough to
enough for

Water was hot enough to boil the vegetables.
water was hot enough for me to boil the vegetables.

Use:
X enough to Y
More emphasis on Y.


yes. great.

two things to add:

(1) sufficient + enough is REDUNDANT. redundancy is very bad.
same reason you wouldn't say "reply back", "added bonus", or "determined as a result of" (see #138 in OG11, if you have that).

(2) make sure you know that "enough THAT" is incorrect.
the 2 idioms mentioned above are correct.
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Re: SC: Unlike [u]the short flights of the shuttle and

by zhaoyu0319 Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:15 am

Hi guys,

I understand that in B) sufficient and enough are redundant. However, I believe that even if we delete either one, choice D) is still better than choice E) for the following reason:

With sufficient enough power in the fuel cells... can be either an adjectival or an adverbial phrase, so it is not clear that which part of the sentence this phrase modifies. If it modifies the first part of the sentence, Unlike the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, it will function as an adjectival phrase, but if it modifies the last part of the sentence, a permanently orbiting space..., it will function as an adverbial phrase. Thus this phrase causes ambiguity, so it is bad.

Can anyone comment on my reasoning? Thank you very much!
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Re: SC: Unlike [u]the short flights of the shuttle and

by debmalya.dutta Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:22 pm

RonPurewal Wrote:
sunny.jain Wrote:either you need Sufficient fuel for
Or you need enough fuel for their flight.

Using together "sufficient + enough" is not good way.

just for your knowledge, MGMAT test a lot about "enough"

Enough has two possible idiom:
enough to
enough for

Water was hot enough to boil the vegetables.
water was hot enough for me to boil the vegetables.

Use:
X enough to Y
More emphasis on Y.


yes. great.

two things to add:

(1) sufficient + enough is REDUNDANT. redundancy is very bad.
same reason you wouldn't say "reply back", "added bonus", or "determined as a result of" (see #138 in OG11, if you have that).

(2) make sure you know that "enough THAT" is incorrect.
the 2 idioms mentioned above are correct.


the sentence begins with "Unlike"..it means that you are comparing 2 things ..Look the starting of the not underlined part following the underlined part ...The sentence is trying to compare " space station" in the later part of the sentence to something in the beginning of the sentence...It has to be "shuttle and earlier spacecraft" and not the "flights"

To me , the only contenders were B and D ... D is correct
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Re: SC: Unlike [u]the short flights of the shuttle and

by mschwrtz Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:39 pm

That's exactly right.

The most common use of like/unlike is just this one.

Like/Unlike X, Y predicate.

In the OA, the X is "the shuttle and... spacecraft," the Y is "a... space station," and the predicate is "will have to...."

Of course, the GMAT confuses your ear by modifying X, thereby putting stuff between X and Y. In this case the modifier is "which carried sufficient power in fuel cells and batteries."
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Re: SC: Unlike [u]the short flights of the shuttle and

by allandu Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:28 pm

Hi
zhaoyu0319 Wrote:Hi guys,

I understand that in B) sufficient and enough are redundant. However, I believe that even if we delete either one, choice D) is still better than choice E) for the following reason:

With sufficient enough power in the fuel cells... can be either an adjectival or an adverbial phrase, so it is not clear that which part of the sentence this phrase modifies. If it modifies the first part of the sentence, Unlike the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, it will function as an adjectival phrase, but if it modifies the last part of the sentence, a permanently orbiting space..., it will function as an adverbial phrase. Thus this phrase causes ambiguity, so it is bad.

Can anyone comment on my reasoning? Thank you very much!


Hi Ron,

I have the same question here? Is that will be a correct answer if "enough" in B is removed? is "with..." here a absolute phrase? I'm pretty confused with the usage of with in GMAT. Please help! Thanks a lot!
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Re: SC: Unlike [u]the short flights of the shuttle and

by mschwrtz Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:54 pm

Here's what such a sentence would look like,

Unlike the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, with sufficient power in fuel cells and batteries for their short flights , a permanently orbiting space station will have to generate its own electricity.

You are certainly correct that such a sentence would be incorrect. Remember that this sort of ambiguity is actually pretty rare on the GMAT, and usually presents as a split between noun phrase (e.g. those companies) and pronouns (e.g. them).
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Re: SC: Unlike [u]the short flights of the shuttle and

by xiaonvhai123 Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:51 am

mschwrtz Wrote:Here's what such a sentence would look like,

Unlike the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, with sufficient power in fuel cells and batteries for their short flights , a permanently orbiting space station will have to generate its own electricity.

You are certainly correct that such a sentence would be incorrect. Remember that this sort of ambiguity is actually pretty rare on the GMAT, and usually presents as a split between noun phrase (e.g. those companies) and pronouns (e.g. them).


Can "comma +with" structure be used both as " adj modifier" and "adv modifier"?
All I know is that "comma+with" sturcture is only used as "adv modifier"-to modify the verb.
EX: Jim walked in the park, with smile on his face.
Can someone confirm on this point and give some examples for "with" structure used as "adj modifier"?
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Re: SC: Unlike [u]the short flights of the shuttle and

by jlucero Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:14 pm

xiaonvhai123 Wrote:
mschwrtz Wrote:Here's what such a sentence would look like,

Unlike the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, with sufficient power in fuel cells and batteries for their short flights , a permanently orbiting space station will have to generate its own electricity.

You are certainly correct that such a sentence would be incorrect. Remember that this sort of ambiguity is actually pretty rare on the GMAT, and usually presents as a split between noun phrase (e.g. those companies) and pronouns (e.g. them).


Can "comma +with" structure be used both as " adj modifier" and "adv modifier"?
All I know is that "comma+with" sturcture is only used as "adv modifier"-to modify the verb.
EX: Jim walked in the park, with smile on his face.
Can someone confirm on this point and give some examples for "with" structure used as "adj modifier"?


Your reasoning above is sound. Because you want adj modifiers next to the noun they modify, you wouldn't use a comma before the with. In adv modifiers, you need a comma to express that it's modifying something that's often times farther away in the sentence and helps to clarify what you are modifying.

The hat with style fell to the ground

vs

The hat fell to the ground, with style.
With style, the hat fell to the ground.
The hat, with style, fell to the ground.
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Re: SC: Unlike [u]the short flights of the shuttle and

by xiaonvhai123 Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:32 am

jlucero Wrote:
xiaonvhai123 Wrote:
mschwrtz Wrote:Here's what such a sentence would look like,

Unlike the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, with sufficient power in fuel cells and batteries for their short flights , a permanently orbiting space station will have to generate its own electricity.

You are certainly correct that such a sentence would be incorrect. Remember that this sort of ambiguity is actually pretty rare on the GMAT, and usually presents as a split between noun phrase (e.g. those companies) and pronouns (e.g. them).


Can "comma +with" structure be used both as " adj modifier" and "adv modifier"?
All I know is that "comma+with" sturcture is only used as "adv modifier"-to modify the verb.
EX: Jim walked in the park, with smile on his face.
Can someone confirm on this point and give some examples for "with" structure used as "adj modifier"?


Your reasoning above is sound. Because you want adj modifiers next to the noun they modify, you wouldn't use a comma before the with. In adv modifiers, you need a comma to express that it's modifying something that's often times farther away in the sentence and helps to clarify what you are modifying.

The hat with style fell to the ground

vs

The hat fell to the ground, with style.
With style, the hat fell to the ground.
The hat, with style, fell to the ground.


Thanks alot:)
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Re: SC: Unlike [u]the short flights of the shuttle and

by tim Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:36 am

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Re: SC: Unlike [u]the short flights of the shuttle and

by sachin.w Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:56 am

mschwrtz Wrote:Here's what such a sentence would look like,

Unlike the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, with sufficient power in fuel cells and batteries for their short flights , a permanently orbiting space station will have to generate its own electricity.

You are certainly correct that such a sentence would be incorrect. Remember that this sort of ambiguity is actually pretty rare on the GMAT, and usually presents as a split between noun phrase (e.g. those companies) and pronouns (e.g. them).



Please let me know why the sentence in italics is grammatically incorrect.