SC: Retail sales rose 8/10 of 1 percent in August, intensify

[RonPurewal]

Would like to know, how choice d is technically correct? Shouldn't it be "expectations that" in choice d?

hmm?

the correct answer is not (d). please read the thread more carefully.

[sachin.w]

samiift wrote

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Would like to know, how choice d is technically correct? Shouldn't it be "expectations that" in choice d?


hmm?

the correct answer is not (d). please read the thread more carefully.

what samiift actually wanted to ask I believe is how D is not technically wrong? OG explanation says D is not technically wrong but is less graceful than B. Agreed! but why is it technically not wrong?

[tim]

D is technically wrong. the OG is in error on this point. please understand that although OG *answers* are never wrong, their explanations for SC answers often are..

[yejiuying333]

hi there,
I have two questions that seems no one mentioned before:
(1) can the "it" in C and E correctly refer to "personal spending" ? let's please just put aside other flaws in C and E.

(2)i cann't quite understand the construction of D, it seems complex and lacks of verb... is "doubling" a gerund??

i feel confused.

Thank you in advance.

[jlucero]

hi there,
I have two questions that seems no one mentioned before:
(1) can the "it" in C and E correctly refer to "personal spending" ? let's please just put aside other flaws in C and E.

(2)i cann't quite understand the construction of D, it seems complex and lacks of verb... is "doubling" a gerund??

i feel confused.

Thank you in advance.

(1) "it" is used awkwardly, though not incorrectly. it would refer back to personal spending, but it's weird to use the phrase:
intensifying expectations of X, that it more than doubled. This is one of those cases where there's so much weird stuff, that it's hard to identify every incorrect part.

(2) the main clause is "retail sales rose" the extra modifier is "intensifying expectations" and everything else describes what kind of expectations: expectations of spending X (more than) doubling the spending Y. Notice that (D) doesn't quite set the parallelism up properly. The problem is that "doubling" can't work without a helper verb here. You can't say "I doubling my money" but you can say "I doubled my money" or "I am doubling my money." It looks like a gerund b/c it's used improperly.

[thanghnvn]

maybe I am a little particular.

it seems that you are correct that "expectation" need "will/would".

but I do not see any parts of grammar book, which show that expectation need will/would. I will review grammar books again. but in the mean time, please, explain this point.

the main problem with c is that "that" is too too far from "expectations" . even if it is close to "expectation" it is not prefered and we have to avoid it if we can. this make b the OA.

[jlucero]

maybe I am a little particular.

it seems that you are correct that "expectation" need "will/would".

but I do not see any parts of grammar book, which show that expectation need will/would. I will review grammar books again. but in the mean time, please, explain this point.

the main problem with c is that "that" is too too far from "expectations" . even if it is close to "expectation" it is not prefered and we have to avoid it if we can. this make b the OA.

1. Not every rule of every OG question is going to be in one grammar book. A simple google search of will vs would WILL give you a better understanding of the difference.

2. You are correct. There are many ways to eliminate answer choices but I was responding to someone else's questions on a particular issue.

[tanu_kalra99]

This is OG13-Ques 20 , And Explanations says -Although (option D) this option is not technically wrong , it is less clear and graceful than B --------PLEASE CAN SOMEBODY EXPLAIN

Thanks in Advance .
Tanu

[RonPurewal]

Choice (d) has the problem that I explained here:
post26678.html#p26678

[RonPurewal]

Also, "that of..." in (D) doesn't make sense.

For that construction to work, "that" must stand for an actual noun. I.e., you should be able to write "doubling the _____ of the 1.4 percent growth rate in personal spending", where ______ is a noun.

The problem, of course, is that there's no noun that can actually go there. We're talking about doubling the rate itself, not doubling the ____ of the rate.

[lic582]

Also, "that of..." in (D) doesn't make sense.

For that construction to work, "that" must stand for an actual noun. I.e., you should be able to write "doubling the _____ of the 1.4 percent growth rate in personal spending", where ______ is a noun.

The problem, of course, is that there's no noun that can actually go there. We're talking about doubling the rate itself, not doubling the ____ of the rate.

when you say "that of..."in D doesn't make sense, i want to know about the "that of" in A. i don't know the noun which "that" stand for.

[RonPurewal]

"That of" is also problematic in choice A, for the same reason. (I mentioned choice D only because I was responding to a question about choice D.)

[JaneC643]

Sorry to bump this old thread again.

I still don't know what the correct answer means. In my opinion, the correct answer means" the personal spending double a growth rate", but how a spending that is supposed to be a number doubles a rate? Isn't it should be that the rate of personal spending in the 6-9 quarter double the rate of personal spending in previous quarter?

Thank you!

[RonPurewal]

Sorry to bump this old thread again.

I still don't know what the correct answer means. In my opinion, the correct answer means" the personal spending double a growth rate", but how a spending that is supposed to be a number doubles a rate? Isn't it should be that the rate of personal spending in the 6-9 quarter double the rate of personal spending in previous quarter?

Thank you!

actually, if "double" is a verb, then it can't do what you're describing here.

for instance, with respect to a certain video game, i can write "my new high score is twice my old one".
i can also write "my new high score is double my old one", though i'm not entirely sure whether GMAC would ever write such a thing (rather than "twice").
note that "double" is NOT a verb here. i don't know what label we can stick on it, but it definitely isn't a verb.

on the other hand, i cannot write "my new high score doubled my old one".
nope. i need to write "i doubled my old high score".

[RonPurewal]

^^
the issue here isn't some peculiar idiom. rather, the issue is accuracy of expression.

taken literally, "my new high score doubled my old one" is a lie——"doubled" here is an action verb, and my new high score didn't actually DO anything. who DID something? well, i did.

"my new high score is twice/double my old one", on the other hand, does not imply any action on the part of the score. it says only that one number is 2 times another number, a statement that's perfectly true.