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SC relative clause parallelism

by fallendownY269 Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:36 am

Dear tutors, I'm confused about the parallelism of relative clauses/ subordinators:
In chapter [Parallelism] of MGMAT SC, a sample sentence is given:
"There are many people who speak English but whose parents do not."
and the book says: the subordinators do not have to be identical.

However, in chapter [Modifier], there is a sentence:
"Mary buys cookies made with Sugarfree, an artificial sweetener, which tastes as sweet as the corn syrup that her brother loves but where there are fewer calories than in an equivalent amount of corn syrup."
This sentence is incorrect, and the book explains: ...When relative clauses are parallel, they should start with the same relative pronoun.

So i'm confused...Isn't the relative clause a kind of subordinator?
Thanks!!
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Re: SC relative clause parallelism

by tim Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:29 pm

My first impression is to note that "who" and "whose" are basically different forms of the same pronoun, but "which" and "where" are totally different. I'd like to investigate this further though; can you provide page numbers to the sections of the book you are quoting?
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Re: SC relative clause parallelism

by fallendownY269 Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:40 pm

tim Wrote:My first impression is to note that "who" and "whose" are basically different forms of the same pronoun, but "which" and "where" are totally different. I'd like to investigate this further though; can you provide page numbers to the sections of the book you are quoting?


Thanks~ Here is the citation:
There are many people WHO speak English BUT WHOSE parents do not. -MGMAT SC, Parallelism, P57

Mary buys cookies made with SugarFree, ..., WHICH tastes as sweet as the ...that her brother loves BUT WHERE there are ... corn syrup.-MGMAT SC, Modifier, P93 (Problem Set)
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Re: SC relative clause parallelism

by RonPurewal Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:12 am

yeah. there's no grammar problem there; "where" is just wrong, because a sweetener isn't a place.
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Re: SC relative clause parallelism

by AZ679 Thu Mar 12, 2015 6:04 am

fallendownY269 Wrote:Dear tutors, I'm confused about the parallelism of relative clauses/ subordinators:
In chapter [Parallelism] of MGMAT SC, a sample sentence is given:
"There are many people who speak English but whose parents do not."
and the book says: the subordinators do not have to be identical.

However, in chapter [Modifier], there is a sentence:
"Mary buys cookies made with Sugarfree, an artificial sweetener, which tastes as sweet as the corn syrup that her brother loves but where there are fewer calories than in an equivalent amount of corn syrup."
This sentence is incorrect, and the book explains: ...When relative clauses are parallel, they should start with the same relative pronoun.

So i'm confused...Isn't the relative clause a kind of subordinator?
Thanks!!


I feel that this question has not been answered properly;
On page 220, Manhattan SC book, 5th Edition, it is said: "Only clauses with the same word should be made parallel".

But on page 57 of this book we have this 'Right' sentence:
"There are many people who speak English but whose parents do not"
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Re: SC relative clause parallelism

by tim Fri Mar 13, 2015 6:26 pm

Please ignore that sentence from the book. I have no idea how it got there, and it is wrong, as you can see from the preceding discussion.
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Re: SC relative clause parallelism

by AZ679 Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:36 pm

tim Wrote:Please ignore that sentence from the book. I have no idea how it got there, and it is wrong, as you can see from the preceding discussion.


Hi tim,

By 'that sentence' you actually mean the 'There are people who ...", yes? (or the former one that explains parallelism between clauses?)
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Re: SC relative clause parallelism

by tim Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:33 am

Ignore the part that says "Only clauses with the same word should be made parallel". There is never a case that requires parallelism to go so far as to duplicate the exact words; as long as you have the same part of speech you're usually fine.
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Re: SC relative clause parallelism

by AZ679 Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:56 am

tim Wrote:Ignore the part that says "Only clauses with the same word should be made parallel". There is never a case that requires parallelism to go so far as to duplicate the exact words; as long as you have the same part of speech you're usually fine.


Cool. Thanks.
So now this questions has been clearly and unambiguously answered. :)
Are such errors corrected in the 6th edition?
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Re: SC relative clause parallelism

by RonPurewal Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:22 am

should be.