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Re: SC : Crack-GMAT Test Q

by RonPurewal Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:43 am

vishalsahdev03 Wrote:Please excuse that might be a basic question:

How do we identify an adverbial modifier, both in this case and in general for a sentence?

Thanks in advance.


hi -
for questions that are this general in scope, please use a google search (e.g., "adverbial modifier" or "adverbial modifier in english"), or refer to our SC strategy guide.
this question is much too general to admit an answer that is both (a) comprehensive and (b) concise enough to fit into a forum post.
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Re: SC : Crack-GMAT Test Q

by RonPurewal Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:45 am

direstraits007 Wrote:
RonPurewal Wrote:there are two requirements for the COMMA + -ING construction:
(1) it should be adverbial, modifying the entire previous clause;
(2) it should be attributed to the subject of the previous clause.

this -ing modifier (in choice e) satisfies both of these conditions, so we're good to go.


Ron,

Can you PLEASE explain these above two conditions of COMMA + ING construction with some other example(s).

I always mess up in the sentences which used this construction. :(

Thanks!

GeeMate.


the "comma + ing" modifier should only be used when:

(A)
it MODIFIES THE ENTIRE ACTION of the preceding clause, and it APPLIES TO THE SUBJECT of that clause;

AND

(B)
one of the following is true:
(1) the "ing" action is SIMULTANEOUS with the main action;
- i ran down the sidewalk, flapping my arms wildly
(2) the "ing" action is a DIRECT CONSEQUENCE of the main action.
- i got a 100 on the most recent exam, bringing my average up to 91

other examples:

joe ran down the sidewalk, flailing his arms.
--> correct (simultaneous)

my cousin took extra classes every semester in college, graduating in three years.
--> correct, because the "ing" is an actual consequence of the first action.

my cousin ate frozen food every day in college, graduating in three years.
--> incorrect, because there is no relationship (in particular, the second thing is not a consequence of the first thing, and isn't simultaneous either).

see emily-dickinson-s-letters-to-susan-huntington-dickinson-were-t6529.html for another example.
on that problem, note that (a) and (e) are both grammatically correct, but that (a) doesn't make any rhetorical sense.
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Re: SC : Crack-GMAT Test Q

by navdeep_bajwa Sat Dec 05, 2009 2:15 am

Can anyone please explain How C is s sentence fragement

Also why the use of extending is right here does it makes sense that extending means the highway is still extended and becuase it is a past event it should be extended

Please clarify
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Re: Undoubtedly option (b) that is!

by navdeep_bajwa Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:25 pm

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by navdeep_bajwa Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:27 pm

C. Columbus, the Incan highway, which was over 2,500 miles in length and
extended
-since the phrase the Incan highway is set off by commas, the entire introductory modifier is describing the Incan highway. As a result, the which is unnecessary since it creates a sentence fragment.

D. Columbus, the Incan highway, being over 2,500 miles in length, was extended
-BEING IS BAD!!!!

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How C is a sentence fragment

C means the Ican highway was 2500 miles long and extended from....
and
how D can be made correct with the use of being
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Re: Re:

by RonPurewal Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:36 am

navdeep_bajwa Wrote:
How C is a sentence fragment

C means the Ican highway was 2500 miles long and extended from....


a sentence fragment is a grammatical problem. whether a construction is a fragment has nothing to do with whether its meaning is clear.

in choice (c), everything preceding "the incan highway" is an appositive-type modifier. everything following "the incan highway" is a "which" modifier.
if you eliminate these modifiers, you're left with just "the incan highway" as a sentence; that doesn't work.
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Re: SC : Crack-GMAT Test Q

by navdeep_bajwa Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:06 am

IS A correct if we remove which
Why extended is wrong in B & D the sentence is in past tense so why extending and not extended
Also isn't use of extending gives the impression that road is still extending
IS extend transitive or non tranisitive verb
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Re: SC : Crack-GMAT Test Q

by RonPurewal Sat Apr 17, 2010 5:31 am

navdeep_bajwa Wrote:IS A correct if we remove which
Why extended is wrong in B & D the sentence is in past tense so why extending and not extended
Also isn't use of extending gives the impression that road is still extending


one thing you need to get straight is that forms ending with -ING are not verbs.
therefore, -ING forms don't have a tense of their own. instead, they adopt the tense of the clause to which they are attached.

consider the following sentences, all of which are correct:
james fell down, fracturing his hand on the concrete.
james had fallen down, fracturing his hand on the concrete, when i saw him.
james falls down, fracturing his hand on the concrete
(this version may be spoken by, e.g., a sports announcer)
james will fall down, fracturing his hand on the concrete
etc.

in all of those sentences, "fracturing" just adopts the tense of the main clause. other -ING modifiers behave similarly.
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Re: SC : Crack-GMAT Test Q

by violetwind Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:59 am

Samy Wrote:Q. 29
The greatest road system built in the Americas prior to the arrival of Christopher
Columbus was the Incan highway, which, over 2,500 miles long and extending from
northern Ecuador through Peru to Southern Chile.

A. Columbus was the Incan highway, which, over 2,500 miles long and extending
B. Columbus was the Incan highway, over 2,500 miles in length, and extended
C. Columbus, the Incan highway, which was over 2,500 miles in length and
extended
D. Columbus, the Incan highway, being over 2,500 miles in length, was extended
E. Columbus, the Incan highway was over 2,500 miles long, extending

What is the correct ans according to you and why.
Thanks.


Hi Ron,

a quick question: in this context, whether "Ican Highway extends from....to...." and "Ican Highway was extended from ....to...." both are right? we pick E just because D has "being"

talking about highway, "extend" is more used in "passive voice" or "active voice" ?

Thank you!
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Re: SC : Crack-GMAT Test Q

by jnelson0612 Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:13 pm

violetwind Wrote:
Samy Wrote:Q. 29
The greatest road system built in the Americas prior to the arrival of Christopher
Columbus was the Incan highway, which, over 2,500 miles long and extending from
northern Ecuador through Peru to Southern Chile.

A. Columbus was the Incan highway, which, over 2,500 miles long and extending
B. Columbus was the Incan highway, over 2,500 miles in length, and extended
C. Columbus, the Incan highway, which was over 2,500 miles in length and
extended
D. Columbus, the Incan highway, being over 2,500 miles in length, was extended
E. Columbus, the Incan highway was over 2,500 miles long, extending

What is the correct ans according to you and why.
Thanks.


Hi Ron,

a quick question: in this context, whether "Ican Highway extends from....to...." and "Ican Highway was extended from ....to...." both are right? we pick E just because D has "being"

talking about highway, "extend" is more used in "passive voice" or "active voice" ?

Thank you!


No, there is definitely a difference between the two.

In E, "extending . . . " is a present participle that is modifying the Ican Highway. This is a correct construction.

In D, we have some comma problems, plus D says that the highway "was extended". That wording makes it sound as if there was some sort of intention in extending this highway from Ecuador to Chile. Instead, the original meaning which we need to preserve is that the highway happens to extend a particular distance.
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Re: SC : Crack-GMAT Test Q

by anupriyajha88 Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:20 am

Hello Instructors ,

Not able to understand why using "extending" in option b is wrong.
Please help.

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Re: SC : Crack-GMAT Test Q

by thanghnvn Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:37 am

experts, pls, help

I want to understand why "extended" in B is wrong.
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Re: SC : Crack-GMAT Test Q

by muzumdar.siddharth Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:29 am

IMO, the subject of the sentence as given in the question is 'The greatest road system'. Hence, the 'extended' in option B refers to this subject (the greatest road system extended, not the Incan Highway itself). That is why it is wrong. Is this understanding correct or am I mistaken somewhere?

Moreover, if the 'and extended' in option B were changed to 'extending', the following sentence would result:

The greatest road system built in the Americas prior to the arrival of Christopher Columbus was the Incan highway, over 2500 miles in length, extending from northern Ecuador through Peru to Southern Chile.

Is this sentence correct?
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Re:

by jnelson0612 Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:00 pm

For those confused about answer choice B, please see this reply from the prior page:

dbernst Wrote:
The greatest road system built in the Americas prior to the arrival of Christopher
Columbus was the Incan highway, which, over 2,500 miles long and extending from
northern Ecuador through Peru to Southern Chile.

B. Columbus was the Incan highway, over 2,500 miles in length, and extended
-the use of extended in the absence of which was is incorrect; the proper construction should be extending (as extended gives the impression that the road was intentionally lengthened rather than simply existing between two points).

-dan
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Re: SC : Crack-GMAT Test Q

by aps_asks Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:49 pm

I rule out choice D) Because of Being.

I feel that the the choices A , B and C are incorrect due to Parallelism issue.

So Apart from the fact that , there is correct usage of "comma + ing" modifier in Choice E) , all the other choices are screwed.

Please let me know your comments on this.