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require subjunctive

by selva.e Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:47 pm

Last week local shrimpers held a news conference to take some credit for the resurgence of the rare Kemp's ridley turtle, saying that their compliance with laws requiring that turtle-excluder devices be on shrimp nets protect adult sea turtles.

A. requiring that turtle-excluder devices be on shrimp nets protect
B. requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting
C. that require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets protect
D. to require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets are protecting
E. to require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting

i was trapped for the use of subjunctive here.
Ron - please advice me.

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Re: require subjunctive

by mangipudi Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:06 pm

B should be correct.

.. compliance [with laws ( requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets )] is protecting ...

The segment in braces [ ] is separating the subject and verb.
The segment in ( ) is a participle modifying laws.
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Re: require subjunctive

by NIKESH_PAHUJA Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:42 pm

One more vote for B.
nice explanation mangipudi
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Re: require subjunctive

by RonPurewal Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:29 am

mangipudi Wrote:B should be correct.

.. compliance [with laws ( requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets )] is protecting ...

The segment in braces [ ] is separating the subject and verb.
The segment in ( ) is a participle modifying laws.


this is a beautiful explanation. the symbols do a nice job of illustrating clearly and simply.
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Re: require subjunctive

by ranjeet1975 Thu May 19, 2011 11:34 am

How the use the the "Present Progressive Tense" is justified here.

The action has leg in past and also is going on in present, hence present perfect should be used
- Am I right:

Please Ron.
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Re: require subjunctive

by RonPurewal Sat May 21, 2011 4:41 am

ranjeet1975 Wrote:How the use the the "Present Progressive Tense" is justified here.

The action has leg in past and also is going on in present, hence present perfect should be used
- Am I right:

Please Ron.


first --
OFFICIALLY CORRECT ANSWERS ARE CORRECT!
do not question officially correct answers!

far too many students on this forum make the mistake of questioning the correct answers; please note that doing so is a complete waste of your time and effort. i.e., exactly 0% of the time that you spend posting "isn't this official answer wrong?" is productive, and exactly 100% of that time is wasted.

"is this correct?" is NEVER a productive question to ask about one of GMAC's correct answers -- the answer is always yes.
"is this wrong?" / "is this X type of error?" is NEVER a productive question to ask about one of GMAC's correct answers -- the answer is always no.

instead, the questions you should be asking about correct official answers, if you don't understand them, are:
"why is this correct?"
"how does this work?"
"what understanding am i lacking that i need to understand this choice?"

this is a small, but hugely significant, change to your way of thinking -- you will suddenly find it much easier to understand the format, style, and conventions of the official problems if you dispose of the idea that they might be wrong.

--

first, note that this is a non-issue in this problem, as you are not required to make a decision about tenses. (there are only two choices that are not in the present progressive -- (a) and (c) -- and both of those have subject-verb disagreement.)

second, no, this construction doesn't require the present perfect (...and you know it doesn't, because the official answer doesn't have it).
the present perfect gives the impression that something has happened in the past, in a way that
* has persisted up to the present,
* still affects the present even though it's over, OR
* is over, but could happen again.

if the sentence is meant to emphasize that the action is actually ongoing IN the present timeframe, then the present perfect is not the correct tense to use -- the present perfect (despite its name) does not necessarily indicate that the action continues through the present timeframe.
this is, in fact, the only main function of the present progressive (is/are -ING) tense, which is therefore an excellent choice for this sentence.

remember -- don't question the official answers!
if you disagree with an official answer, then you will be correct 0% of the time, and the official answer will be correct 100% of the time ... don't waste your time.
instead, learn from the official answers.
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Re: require subjunctive

by thanghnvn Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:31 am

"law requiring" is idiomatic

"law to require" is not idiomatic

is that right?, pls help

in general, if we see NOUN TO DO and NOUN DOING, which is correct depends on idiom. is my thinking correct.

pls, explain. Thank you.
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Re: require subjunctive

by tim Wed May 23, 2012 5:00 am

that's probably the best way to think about it..
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