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Placeholder It & Pronoun It

by syflysun1 Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:10 am

My question is can Placeholder It & Pronoun It appear in one sentence in gmat?

Can we make up a correct sentence that have both Placeholder It & Pronoun It?

I tried to make one.
Although many people were waiting for the new movie, Lisa made it [Placeholder It ]possible for us to watch it [Pronoun It] on the premiere.

Is this correct?
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Re: Placeholder It & Pronoun It

by syflysun1 Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:54 pm

Today, despite widely available technology such as high-resolution scanners and printers, counterfeiting is more difficult than it was at the time of the Civil War, when it was estimated that one-third of all currency in circulation was counterfeit.

This sentence is stated as correct as it is.
I think the first it is Pronoun It. Second it is Placeholder It.

Please clarify.

Question source: MGMAT Test
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Re: Placeholder It & Pronoun It

by xcusemeplz2009 Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:53 am

syflysun1 Wrote:Today, despite widely available technology such as high-resolution scanners and printers, counterfeiting is more difficult than it was at the time of the Civil War, when it was estimated that one-third of all currency in circulation was counterfeit.

This sentence is stated as correct as it is.
I think the first it is Pronoun It. Second it is Placeholder It.

Please clarify.

Question source: MGMAT Test


the second it is reffering to a time period . I think it can be used without any refferal in case of time.
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Re: Placeholder It & Pronoun It

by Ben Ku Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:01 am

Today, despite widely available technology such as high-resolution scanners and printers, counterfeiting is more difficult than it was at the time of the Civil War, when it was estimated that one-third of all currency in circulation was counterfeit.

This sentence is stated as correct as it is.
I think the first it is Pronoun It. Second it is Placeholder It.

Please clarify.


You are correct. The first "it" is used as a pronoun because it is referring to the noun "counterfeiting." The second "it" is used as a placeholder because it is referring to the that-clause "THAT one-third of all currency in circulation was counterfeit."
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Re: Placeholder It & Pronoun It

by navdeep_bajwa Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:33 am

Today, despite widely available technology such as high-resolution scanners and printers, counterfeiting is more difficult than it was at the time of the Civil War, when it was estimated that one-third of all currency in circulation was counterfeit.

A Today, despite widely available technology such as high-resolution scanners and printers, counterfeiting is more difficult than it was at the time of the Civil War, when it was estimated that one-third of all currency in circulation was counterfeit.
B Despite widely available technology such as high-resolution scanners and printers today, counterfeiting is more difficult than it was at the time of the Civil War, when it was estimated that one-third of all currency in circulation was counterfeit.
C Despite widely available technology such as high-resolution scanners and printers, counterfeiting is more difficult than at the time of the Civil War, when it was estimated that one-third of all currency in circulation was counterfeit.
D Today, despite widely available technology such as high-resolution scanners and printers, counterfeiting is more difficult than when it was estimated that one-third of all currency in circulation was counterfeit at the time of the Civil War.
E Today, because of widely available technology such as high-resolution scanners and printers, counterfeiting is more difficult than it was at the time of the Civil War, when it was estimated that one-third of all currency in circulation was counter

Can you Please explain Why B is wrong I could not understand MGMAT's explanation
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Re: Placeholder It & Pronoun It

by esledge Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:08 pm

navdeep_bajwa Wrote:Can you Please explain Why B is wrong I could not understand MGMAT's explanation

(B) Despite widely available technology such as high-resolution scanners and printers today, counterfeiting is more difficult than it was at the time of the Civil War, when it was estimated that one-third of all currency in circulation was counterfeit.

The placement of modifier "today" is not great. It is "technology widely available today." Not just "scanners and printers today," as this seems to say. In contrast, in (A), we can appropriately read "despite widely available...scanners and printers" as an inessential modifier, and see "Today," as a modifier of the main clause "counterfeiting is (i.e. today) more difficult..."

So the error in (B) is primarily a Misplaced Modifier.

And though this is a bit of a stretch, the placement of "today" makes the parallelism in the main clause less ideal in (B) than in the original:
counterfeiting is more difficult than it was at the time of the Civil War

"was" has a time modifier to explain exactly when: "at the time of the Civil War"
"is" no longer does, now that "today" doesn't attach as cleanly to the main clause.
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Re: Placeholder It & Pronoun It

by wangyinwei_2005 Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:14 am

Hi, dear instructor
So, we can use "it" in different functions {prounoun & placeholder it} in the same sentence? does GMAC premit the usage ,since we cannot use a prounoun to refer to different things in the same sentence? and if it is, can you provide a officially correct sentence that includes two "it", one for prounoun and the other for placeholder it? that will be very helpful, thank you!
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Re: Placeholder It & Pronoun It

by jlucero Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:24 pm

It would be impressive if instructors had a catalogue of all OG questions with every possible usage or structure, but unfortunately, we can't keep track of all this. Ultimately, we come up with rules based on questions we've seen and adjust our knowledge of these rules when OG questions allow certain structures (it's happened before- we used to emphasize pronoun ambiguity in previous years, but we learned that the OG uses ambiguous pronouns in correct answers and adjusted our rules based on this). So asking us does the OG ever do X, doesn't always work. There's no instances that I know of where this is used correctly or incorrectly in an correct answer choice. If you can find one, bring it to our attention and we might have to adjust our rules of SC again.
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