Verbal problems from the *free* official practice tests and
problems from mba.com
sangeethmani
Students
 
Posts: 22
Joined: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:03 am
 

Re: Most of the purported health benefits of tea

by sangeethmani Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:24 pm

I have a doubt here .. Can you refer to "compounds" as 'that'. In my knowledge 'that' is used for singular reference. Could anyone shed some light on this?
mschwrtz
ManhattanGMAT Staff
 
Posts: 498
Joined: Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:03 pm
 

Re: Most of the purported health benefits of tea

by mschwrtz Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:28 pm

There is a tricky distinction here between two uses of that. When that is used as a relative pronoun (to introduce a noun-modifying clause) it can modify a singular or a plural verb. When that is used as what is called a 'demonstrative pronoun,' it must be singular.

Now, I don't want you to memorize the term 'demonstrative pronoun,' so here's an easy way to keep track: If that touches the noun or noun phrase it modifies, it can be singular or plural. If that refers to something it doesn't touch, it must be singular.

And don't forget that that is used in other ways to. In that sentence I just wrote it introduces a subordinate clause. And in the second sentence of this paragraph that is an adjective.
pitchaivijay
Students
 
Posts: 2
Joined: Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:33 pm
 

Re: Most of the purported health benefits of tea

by pitchaivijay Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:56 pm

Why C is wrong ?
jnelson0612
ManhattanGMAT Staff
 
Posts: 2664
Joined: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:57 am
 

Re: Most of the purported health benefits of tea

by jnelson0612 Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:54 pm

pitchaivijay Wrote:Why C is wrong ?


Let's compare C to the correct answer, D.

C. come from antioxidants"”compounds also found in beta carotene, vitamin E, and vitamin C, and
D. come from antioxidants"”compounds that are also found in beta carotene, vitamin E, and vitamin C and that

Since the word "and" is a parallel marker, we must check parallelism. Notice how D is parallel after the dash:
compounds that are . . . . and that inhibit
We have nice verb parallelism here.

C breaks this parallelism by joining a noun and a verb:
compounds . . . and inhibit
Jamie Nelson
ManhattanGMAT Instructor
dianapaolasanchez
Course Students
 
Posts: 21
Joined: Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:28 am
 

Re: Most of the purported health benefits of tea

by dianapaolasanchez Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:05 pm

Most of the purported health benefits of tea come.... (plural) CORRECT

What happened if the sentence starts by...

The most of the purported health benefits of tea.... (singular)

Does the subject change? The subject will be "the most..." so the verb is singular. Right?

The most of the purported health benefits of tea comes

Thank you
RonPurewal
Students
 
Posts: 19744
Joined: Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:23 am
 

Re: Most of the purported health benefits of tea

by RonPurewal Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:00 am

dianapaolasanchez Wrote:Most of the purported health benefits of tea come.... (plural) CORRECT

What happened if the sentence starts by...

The most of the purported health benefits of tea.... (singular)


there is no such construction in english.

perhaps you are thinking of "the most ADJ" -- as in this song is the most beautiful thing i've heard in months.
or perhaps you are thinking of the spanish noun la mayoría, which can't be translated in this way.
shah.abhilash
Students
 
Posts: 9
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 1969 8:00 pm
 

Re: Most of the purported health benefits of tea

by shah.abhilash Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:34 am

hi ron,

just wanted to know whether "they" can be used to refer objects like health benefits, compounds,etc. i was in a mindset that "they" can only be used to refer beings like humans,animals,people,etc
tim
Course Students
 
Posts: 5665
Joined: Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:08 am
Location: Southwest Airlines, seat 21C
 

Re: Most of the purported health benefits of tea

by tim Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:31 pm

no, "they" can refer to any plural noun..
Tim Sanders
Manhattan GMAT Instructor

Follow this link for some important tips to get the most out of your forum experience:
https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/forums/a-few-tips-t31405.html
mcmebk
Forum Guests
 
Posts: 107
Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:07 am
 

Re: Most of the purported health benefits of tea

by mcmebk Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:36 am

RonPurewal Wrote:
manish1sinha Wrote:Ron,
Could please explain the following:
1)the role of single dash--can a single dash have a independent clause or only sub clause is permitted?if there is a dash followed by a comma can the rule of 'both' be applied to it?


if you use a single dash, then the stuff that is set off by the dash must actually continue all the way to the end of the sentence. if you are going to block off a modifier with dashes, then you must use two dashes to block off the modifier.

i.e., there is no such thing as a modifier that is blocked off by a dash on the left, but by a comma on the right. if you have a modifier that does not extend to the end of the sentence, then you must use either two dashes or two commas to set it off.
therefore, your question here ("if there is a dash followed by a comma") actually doesn't make sense, because in any such situation the dash and the comma would be entirely unrelated to each other.

2)by "both"--> you meant 2 dashes= 2 commas?


in that context, i meant
COMMA + (modifier that continues until the end of the sentence)
is the same as
DASH + (modifier that continues until the end of the sentence)

3)In choice 'E' there is a 'comma and' so I thought an independent clause is what is required there.

incorrect analysis.
i posted the correct analysis of this sort of situation here:
post43518.html#p43518


Dear Ron and Stacy and all instructors, you all rock! Thank you so much for helping us.

Coming back to the option E, I think I understand pretty well about Ron's explanation on the dashes/commas, just want to confirm my understanding is indeed correct:

1. Dashes are alike with commas, but in such situation, if the modifier are broken apart from the main sentence by two dashes, then you can not substitute one of the dash with comma;

2. In the situation when a modifier is set apart by a comma/dash, there have two be "no comma/dash" or "two commas/dashes in front of and in the end of the modifier", unless the set apart modifier is the start or the end of the whole sentence. there were wrong examples where the modifier was only set apart by one comma.

3. An additional question about E, if the dash is changed to comma, will it be a run-on sentence? meaning it should be "; and they inhibit..."? Ron has said before try not to edit the wrong answer, but I really want to understand the run-on sentence better.

Your fans! and Thank you all.
RonPurewal
Students
 
Posts: 19744
Joined: Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:23 am
 

Re: Most of the purported health benefits of tea

by RonPurewal Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:16 am

mcmebk Wrote:3. An additional question about E, if the dash is changed to comma, will it be a run-on sentence? meaning it should be "; and they inhibit..."?


no.
your version (with the semicolon) would be incorrect, since "and they..." isn't a sentence by itself.
vikram4689
Students
 
Posts: 147
Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2010 8:26 pm
 

Re: Most of the purported health benefits of tea

by vikram4689 Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:47 pm

RonPurewal Wrote:
mclaren7 Wrote:E --- compounds ... and they (anything wrong with this structure?)


yes, something is indeed wrong.

at best, 'they' is an ambiguous pronoun that potentially refers either to 'antioxidants'/'compounds' or to 'health benefits'. at worst it refers to 'health benefits', the subject of the preceding sentence, by default. either way, you've got problems.

the other problem is that a single dash of the sort that sets off the descriptor in this problem is akin to a single comma: both set off an appositive phrase, which is NOT allowed to contain independent clauses (such as the one beginning with 'they' in choice e). choice d follows the rules here, as, after the dash, it contains only subordinate clauses.

...all kinds of trouble :(


A good analogy for these two-dash sentences is that dashes = parentheses. As such, typically you will only find examples or other subordinate clauses within them.

1) do above 2 quotes mean that NONE of single dash or double dashes can separate an Independent Clause from main clause.

2) Also following must be incorrect. are they ?
a) Time spent in prison can change your outlook - especially if you have a life sentence.
b) Jack was gentle, but persistent, with Carolyn - he would make her his wife.
johnsonjz26
Forum Guests
 
Posts: 2
Joined: Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:03 pm
 

Re: Most of the purported health benefits of tea

by johnsonjz26 Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:20 pm

The sentence intended to tell you that compounds are found... and compounds inhibit, if you choose E, the whole structure will be
found ..., and + sentence , obviously not parallel
In D, the 2 that indicates that inhibit refers to compounds, not other parts
jlucero
Forum Guests
 
Posts: 1102
Joined: Wed May 12, 2010 1:33 am
 

Re: Most of the purported health benefits of tea

by jlucero Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:29 pm

vikram4689 Wrote:1) do above 2 quotes mean that NONE of single dash or double dashes can separate an Independent Clause from main clause.

2) Also following must be incorrect. are they ?
a) Time spent in prison can change your outlook - especially if you have a life sentence.
b) Jack was gentle, but persistent, with Carolyn - he would make her his wife.


1) Main clauses are independent clauses, so your question doesn't entirely make sense. However, you need to include the whole main clause of a sentence in the front half of clause with one dash, or outside of the double dashes.

2) I'd say both of these are incorrect because they are too related to one another to be separated by the dash. HOWEVER, the GMAT does not test your ability to know whether something should be broken up by a dash, a comma, or a parenthesis, so don't stress yourself out here.
Joe Lucero
Manhattan GMAT Instructor
ecisn33186
Course Students
 
Posts: 5
Joined: Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:40 am
 

Re: Most of the purported health benefits of tea

by ecisn33186 Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:37 pm

In (C) and (E) "found" is not a true verb, but a past participle, because "compounds" can't find something. A human or animal can find something--He found 3 dollars. Compare this to "The virus found in the heart and it is dangerous." This is wrong for two reasons: 1) Your making an independent clause parallel to a noun (virus) and its modifier (found). 2) Why do you have two subjects when they both refer to the same thing--virus; unless there is a good reason, and usually there is not, don't split a subject into two.
RonPurewal
Students
 
Posts: 19744
Joined: Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:23 am
 

Re: Most of the purported health benefits of tea

by RonPurewal Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:30 am

ecisn33186 Wrote:In (C) and (E) "found" is not a true verb, but a past participle, because "compounds" can't find something. A human or animal can find something--He found 3 dollars. Compare this to "The virus found in the heart and it is dangerous." This is wrong for two reasons: 1) Your making an independent clause parallel to a noun (virus) and its modifier (found). 2) Why do you have two subjects when they both refer to the same thing--virus; unless there is a good reason, and usually there is not, don't split a subject into two.


To what, exactly, are you responding?

No one here has claimed that "found" is a verb.