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Re: Modifiers

by RonPurewal Wed May 08, 2013 2:58 am

chedan-ing Wrote:yep, i'm not sure wether " with arms and legs hanging ..." is an absolute phrase.to me, It seems that it is the visitors' arms and hands hanging rather that of monkeys.


I don't know the terminology here. It's not an "absolute phrase" (I checked that definition, and that's something else entirely), but I don't know what it's called.

Still, it's clear from context that this modifier is describing the way in which the monkeys were sleeping on the branches. If you think that the modifier describes the visitors, then you're wrong, and you should recalibrate your understanding of this kind of modifier.
The official sentences are never wrong.
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Re: Modifiers

by chedan-ing Thu May 09, 2013 11:14 am

i got it, thanks, ron and tim~
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Re: Modifiers

by jlucero Thu May 09, 2013 3:26 pm

Glad it helped.
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Re: Modifiers

by chelseamourinho Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:13 pm

Why is D right when it has "with arms and legs hanging"? [preposition+round+V-ing] Isn't it the structure [preposition+round+V-ing] wrong?
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Re: Modifiers

by RonPurewal Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:40 am

chelseamourinho Wrote:Why is D right when it has "with arms and legs hanging"? [preposition+round+V-ing] Isn't it the structure [preposition+round+V-ing] wrong?


English usage countenances the use of this construction with "with", but not with "of" (or "about", or most other prepositions).
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Re: Modifiers

by Suapplle Sat May 03, 2014 5:57 am

Hi,Ron, I am confusing about the usage of "comma+with" here,
I remember, "comma+with" modify the preceding clause, but in this sentence, the subject of the sentence is visitors, it does not make sense, please clarify, thanks!
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Re: Modifiers

by RonPurewal Sun May 04, 2014 12:53 pm

Suapplle Wrote:Hi,Ron, I am confusing about the usage of "comma+with" here,
I remember, "comma+with" modify the preceding clause, but in this sentence, the subject of the sentence is visitors, it does not make sense, please clarify, thanks!


It describes the previous subject+action. The previous action is an __ing, but the modifier works the same way.
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Re: Modifiers

by RonPurewal Sun May 04, 2014 12:56 pm

Just a friendly reminder"”OG problems are banned on the forum. We cannot discuss this problem (about visitors and monkeys) any further, unless it also appears in GMAT Prep (and someone can supply a screen shot as proof).

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Re: Modifiers

by SC312 Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:33 pm

Ron,

I saw this problem http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/1000-sc-985-t1802.html . Your update there is a bit different from what I felt about how COMMA+WITH works.

This was my understanding :
COMMA+WITH construction, following a clause, is usually used when the prepositional phrase modifies the verb. In other words, 'COMMA+WITH ' is generally adverbial in nature, while without COMMA the prepositional phrase can refer to noun/noun-phrase , verb or even both.

In the correct answer choice, I see that the prepositional phrase is modifying the noun phrase "sediment in the grand canyon", something I believe I have not seen in official problems.

Can you please let me know if my understanding is incorrect and how the COMMA+WITH construction works ?

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Re: Modifiers

by RonPurewal Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:22 pm

"- You're quoting a problem from a source that has been banned because of its poor quality!

"- Comma + "with" can also describe nouns. (Lots of modifiers can serve more than one function.)
Given a specific context, I doubt there will be any danger of confusion there.
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Re: Modifiers

by LingyuZ986 Sat Oct 01, 2016 2:00 am

Dear instructor,

Can you help to answer my question addressed below? My GMAT is around the corner. Thank you very much!!! :) :) :)

I chose C for this question. Because I think the non-underlined part used past perfect tense "have looked up into the sky", and in order to use past perfect tense, the sentence must contain
1) either a verb in the simple past tense
2) or a time marker that occurred in the past but later than the past perfect action

In this sentence, there is no time marker, so the second part of the sentence, i.e. the underlined part, must use simple past tense to demonstrate the sequence of actions ("look up into the sky" & "see").

Can anyone help to explain why using past perfect sense is correct here?

Thank you very much.
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Re: Modifiers

by RonPurewal Fri Oct 07, 2016 3:08 pm

"have looked" isn't the tense you think it is.

we can't continue to discuss an OG problem on the forum. this thread is now locked.