Like any star of similar mass would do, once the Sun has

[RonPurewal]

Agree. Thanks for the reply.

glad it helped

[tankobe]

(C) As in the case of any star of similar mass, once the hydrogen in the Sun's core is exhausted, it will expand into a red giant, and eventually ejecting

reference[a sentence excerpted from OG key]:
The phrase the more the children should be completed by a parallel phrase that begins with a comparative adjective and a noun phrase, as in the greater their... advantage.

Ron, why the "as in" is ok in reference sentence but not in C?

[RonPurewal]

(C) As in the case of any star of similar mass, once the hydrogen in the Sun's core is exhausted, it will expand into a red giant, and eventually ejecting

reference[a sentence excerpted from OG key]:
The phrase the more the children should be completed by a parallel phrase that begins with a comparative adjective and a noun phrase, as in the greater their... advantage.

Ron, why the "as in" is ok in reference sentence but not in C?

i don't think there's any problem with "as in" and that choice -- it looks perfectly fine to me.

there are other errors in that choice, most noticeably the pronoun "it" (which is meant to refer to the sun, but can't because the noun "sun" never appears by itself) and the rather blatant lack of parallelism ("will expand ... and eventually ejecting").

not everything in a wrong answer choice is wrong!

[vijayjakhotia]

Ron,
Can we eliminate option C,and D just on the basis of the comparison mismatch?

As in the case of any star of similar mass, once the hydrogen in the Sun's core is exhausted .....
Here As is comparing Any Star of similar mass with Hydrogen. Straightforward It can be eliminated..Is the reasoning Right?


D) As any star of similar mass would, once the hydrogen in the Sun's core is exhausted...

Here As is comparing Any Star of similar mass with Hydrogen. Straightforward It can be eliminated..Is the reasoning Right?

[trang.kieu.phung]

In choice A:
(A) Like any star of similar mass would do, once the Sun has exhausted the hydrogen in its core, it expands into a red giant, eventually ejecting

1. I would like to know whether the clause "it expands into a red giant, eventually ejecting" is correct. Is the structure "eventually ejecting" legitimate?
2. What is the difference in meaning between "it expands into a red giant, eventually ejecting" and "it expands into a red giant and eventually ejects"?

Thanks.

[vijayjakhotia]

Ron
Can u please comment on this??

Thanks
Vijay

Ron,
Can we eliminate option C,and D just on the basis of the comparison mismatch?

As in the case of any star of similar mass, once the hydrogen in the Sun's core is exhausted .....
Here As is comparing Any Star of similar mass with Hydrogen. Straightforward It can be eliminated..Is the reasoning Right?


D) As any star of similar mass would, once the hydrogen in the Sun's core is exhausted...

Here As is comparing Any Star of similar mass with Hydrogen. Straightforward It can be eliminated..Is the reasoning Right?

[RonPurewal]

Ron,
Can we eliminate option C,and D just on the basis of the comparison mismatch?

As in the case of any star of similar mass, once the hydrogen in the Sun's core is exhausted .....
Here As is comparing Any Star of similar mass with Hydrogen. Straightforward It can be eliminated..Is the reasoning Right?

not in this case, because there is not a direct comparison between nouns.
this sentence says "as in the case of...", a construction that allows much greater latitude in terms of comparisons. (fortunately, there are a couple of other significant problems with that choice, as discussed in earlier posts.)

D) As any star of similar mass would, once the hydrogen in the Sun's core is exhausted...

Here As is comparing Any Star of similar mass with Hydrogen. Straightforward It can be eliminated..Is the reasoning Right?

this one, yes

[RonPurewal]

In choice A:
(A) Like any star of similar mass would do, once the Sun has exhausted the hydrogen in its core, it expands into a red giant, eventually ejecting

1. I would like to know whether the clause "it expands into a red giant, eventually ejecting" is correct. Is the structure "eventually ejecting" legitimate?
2. What is the difference in meaning between "it expands into a red giant, eventually ejecting" and "it expands into a red giant and eventually ejects"?

Thanks.

this post details the "comma -ing" structure:
post30766.html#p30766

check out that post and then apply what it says here -- you'll notice that neither of the stated conditions is a good fit for the meaning of this sentence.

the second version is better, because this is just a sequence of two events that don't have any apparently necessary relationship (much like "we went to the restaurant and then drove to the club"). such sequences are normally indicated by parallel structures.

notice that neither of the choices you're analyzing is actually the correct answer, but that the correct answer also contains a parallel structure ("it will expand ... and eventually eject ...")

[RonPurewal]

Ron
Can u please comment on this??

Thanks
Vijay

don't do this -- i.e., don't post a message that says "please answer my question".
this is called "bumping" the thread; it brings the thread up to the most recent position in the folder.

the problem, of course -- besides the fact that "reminder posts" are obnoxious, rude, and unprofessional -- is that we answer the posts strictly in order from oldest to newest. therefore, if you post a message, with no content, that says "please answer this post", then you are moving the thread to the LAST place in the queue.

please be patient -- we will get to all of the threads. if you make posts like this one, you're just making yourself wait longer.

thanks.

[vivi____he]

in choice E:
As would be the case with any star of similar mass, once the Sun exhausts the hydrogen in its
core, it will expand into a red giant and eventually eject.

(1)is "would" a problem here for it does not accord with "will"?

(2)or is "as would be the case" an idiom that can be
interpreted as a subjunctive mood or a conjectural mood?


wait for your reply.

[RonPurewal]

in choice E:
As would be the case with any star of similar mass, once the Sun exhausts the hydrogen in its
core, it will expand into a red giant and eventually eject.

(1)is "would" a problem here for it does not accord with "will"?

(2)or is "as would be the case" an idiom that can be
interpreted as a subjunctive mood or a conjectural mood?


wait for your reply.

the "would" here is the hypothetical form of "would". that's the second one listed here:
post45300.html#p45300

this consideration doesn't extend to the "will" in this sentence, since that part of the sentence is talking about something that is definitely going to happen. the hypothetical "any other" star, though, is just that -- hypothetical -- so "would" is used.

[davetzulin]

Ron,

(E) As would be the case with any star of similar mass, once the Sun exhausts the hydrogen in its core, it will expand into a red giant and eventually eject

(C) As in the case of any star of similar mass, once the hydrogen in the Sun's core is exhausted

The above bolded comparisons are both cases where we have more latitude -- as you said -- for what is being compared.

so is it safe to assume that if we have those types of comparisons, the following clause does not HAVE TO have "the sun" in the subject role? As long as the sun is a noun (not in possessive/adjective role).

"As in the case of any star of similar mass, matter is constantly absorbed into the sun"
<-- this just puts "sun" in an object position, but the clause being compared still makes sense.

"As in the case of any star of similar mass, which absorbs matter, matter is constantly absorbed into the sun"

<-- adds a M.C. modifier to "star", making the reader have an even greater tendency to look for "sun" in the subject position of the clause, but again I put it into the object position.

are those two correct?

[RonPurewal]

"As in the case of any star of similar mass, matter is constantly absorbed into the sun"
<-- this just puts "sun" in an object position, but the clause being compared still makes sense.

yes, that's still fine.

"As in the case of any star of similar mass, which absorbs matter, matter is constantly absorbed into the sun"

this sentence is redundant; the whole point of the "as in the case of..." construction is to avoid repeating the idea that matter is absorbed.
analogy:
like my brother, i have dark skin.
--> this sentence already conveys the idea that both my brother and i have dark skin.
if i were to write
like my brother, who has dark skin, i have dark skin
that would be redundant and therefore not acceptable.

[wangyinwei_2005]

Is the article about the usage of "AS+PROPOSITION PHRASE" wrong? what is the correct usage of "as+proposition phrase"?would you please give me 1 or 2 examples?

it creates a parallel structure whose parts, like those of other parallel structures, should be as alike as possible while still preserving the meaning.

in many cases, you'll see the same preposition -- not because it's absolutely necessary, but because that just happens naturally in lots of parallel structures. (when two ideas are similar, as they inevitably are in parallel constructions, you often wind up describing them with similar constructions.)

in other instances, context may necessitate that the two prepositions be different.
e.g.
there are imperfections on the crystal's surface, as in its interior.
or
on the crystal's surface, as in its interior, there are imperfections.
--> this is as much "matching" as you're going to get. you can't use the same preposition: "in" wouldn't make any sense in the first phrase, nor would "on" in the second.

[RonPurewal]

oh, and then there's in the case of... -- which is used to manufacture, somewhat artificially, a parallel structure in contexts that don't already provide anything to which the phrase can be parallel.
note the use of this phrase in this sentence (about the sun).

you should basically just remember "the case of X" as a unique construction -- it's like "forced parallelism", so to speak.