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laboratory rats

by tankobe Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:53 am

In laboratory rats, a low dose of aspirin usually suffices to block production of thromboxane, which is a substance that promotes blood clotting, but not seriously interfering with the production of prostacyclin, which prevents clotting.
(A) which is a substance that promotes blood clotting, but not seriously interfering
(B) a substance that promotes blood clotting, but not seriously interfering
(C) a substance that promotes blood clotting, but does not seriously interfere
(D) which is a substance to promote blood clotting, but does not seriously interfere
(E) which is a substance that promotes blood clotting, but not a serious interference

soure: preptest1 OA is C

what's wrong with D?
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Re: laboratory rats

by sunny.jain Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:23 am

i think you know that we have idiom here..

X, But Y

so using that, I get to know that i need a verb in But clause. So A, B, and E are out.
Out of C and D, I scanned vertically and found that:

that promotes blood and to promote

we need parallelism..and in second half of substance we have, Which prevents clotting.

so in D we have,

to promote clotting --- parallel with prevents clotting
Which is inaccurate...in C we have correct parallelism. Hence, is the answer.
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Re: laboratory rats

by mikrodj Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:55 pm

I agree with sunny.jain

The main problem is parallelism

(C) a substance that promotes blood clotting, but does not seriously interfere

X that does Y, but does not Z

(D) which is a substance to promote blood clotting, but does not seriously interfere

X is to Y but does not Z

C is more parallel.

IMO Another problem is that D changes the meaning

option C says that the substance itself promotes blood clotting. On the other hand option D says that the substance is to promote blood clotting. In other words, somebody/something uses the substance to promote blood clotting. The latter is not the intended meaning of the sentence.
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Re: laboratory rats

by cyber_office Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:46 pm

It's about getting the right structure between "promote" and "interfere." Promote X but not Y.

Nothing to do with "to promote clotting --- parallel with prevents clotting." You are looking at the wrong parallel structure.

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Re: laboratory rats

by cyber_office Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:58 pm

Also, as an afterthought, and might be a key indicator, "which" should always modify a noun not a long phrase.
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Re: laboratory rats

by mikrodj Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:11 pm

cyber_office Wrote:Also, as an afterthought, and might be a key indicator, "which" should always modify a noun not a long phrase.


I think here which modifies a noun thromboxane. What do you think it tries to modify?
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Re: laboratory rats

by RonPurewal Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:54 am

mikrodj Wrote:I agree with sunny.jain

The main problem is parallelism

(C) a substance that promotes blood clotting, but does not seriously interfere

X that does Y, but does not Z

(D) which is a substance to promote blood clotting, but does not seriously interfere

X is to Y but does not Z

C is more parallel.

IMO Another problem is that D changes the meaning

option C says that the substance itself promotes blood clotting. On the other hand option D says that the substance is to promote blood clotting. In other words, somebody/something uses the substance to promote blood clotting. The latter is not the intended meaning of the sentence.


nah. you're making the wrong comparison.

the meaning of the sentence is:
aspirin blocks X (X is a substance that promotes clotting)
BUT
aspirin does not interfere with the production of Y (Y is a substance that prevents clotting).

in other words, in the correct answer choice, the structure is actually like this:
In laboratory rats, a low dose of aspirin usually suffices to block production of thromboxane, a substance that promotes blood clotting, but does not seriously interfere with the production of prostacyclin, which prevents clotting.

so, parallelism is not the key differentiator between (c) and (d).

--

there are two problems i see in (d).

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problem #1

a substance to promote... is unidiomatic.
the only context in which i can remember "a NOUN to VERB" is a context in which the NOUN is abstract in nature. for instance:
a way to produce goods
a reason to try harder

etc.
note that "substance" is a concrete item; it's not an abstraction like "way" or "reason".

if you're talking about concrete objects, you should replace the infinitive with something else. for instance:
* a substance to promote X (incorrect) --> a substance that promotes X (correct)
* a tool to install the shelves (incorrect) --> a tool with which to install the shelves (correct)

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problem #2

"which is" is unnecessary and ugly.

if "which is" is followed by a description of something, you should just omit it, producing an appositive modifier:
X, which is a substance... (ugly) --> X, a substance... (better)
Person X, who is the coach of Team Y (ugly) --> Person X, the coach of Team Y (better)

etc.
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Re: laboratory rats

by mikrodj Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:51 am

Thank you very much for the explanation
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Re: laboratory rats

by RonPurewal Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:26 am

mikrodj Wrote:Thank you very much for the explanation


glad it helped
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Re: laboratory rats

by tankobe Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:41 am

RonPurewal Wrote:
mikrodj Wrote:I agree with sunny.jain

The main problem is parallelism

(C) a substance that promotes blood clotting, but does not seriously interfere

X that does Y, but does not Z

(D) which is a substance to promote blood clotting, but does not seriously interfere

X is to Y but does not Z

C is more parallel.

IMO Another problem is that D changes the meaning

option C says that the substance itself promotes blood clotting. On the other hand option D says that the substance is to promote blood clotting. In other words, somebody/something uses the substance to promote blood clotting. The latter is not the intended meaning of the sentence.


nah. you're making the wrong comparison.

the meaning of the sentence is:
aspirin blocks X (X is a substance that promotes clotting)
BUT
aspirin does not interfere with the production of Y (Y is a substance that prevents clotting).

in other words, in the correct answer choice, the structure is actually like this:
In laboratory rats, a low dose of aspirin usually suffices to block production of thromboxane, a substance that promotes blood clotting, but does not seriously interfere with the production of prostacyclin, which prevents clotting.

so, parallelism is not the key differentiator between (c) and (d).

--

there are two problems i see in (d).

--

problem #1

a substance to promote... is unidiomatic.
the only context in which i can remember "a NOUN to VERB" is a context in which the NOUN is abstract in nature. for instance:
a way to produce goods
a reason to try harder

etc.
note that "substance" is a concrete item; it's not an abstraction like "way" or "reason".

if you're talking about concrete objects, you should replace the infinitive with something else. for instance:
* a substance to promote X (incorrect) --> a substance that promotes X (correct)
* a tool to install the shelves (incorrect) --> a tool with which to install the shelves (correct)

--
etc.


1# Australian embryologists have found evidence to suggest that (the original wrong word is--evidence that suggests that )the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

2# In the mid-1920s the Hawthorne Works of the Western Electric Company was the scene of an intensive series of experiments investigating (the wrong options are-- experiments for suggesting and experiments to suggest)the effects that changes in working conditions would have on workers' performance.

3# The largest trade-book publisher in the United States has announced the creation of a new digital imprint division, under which it will publish about 20 purely digital works to be sold online as either electronic books or downloadable copies that can be printed upon purchase.

4#Hydrocarbons, with which fruit flies perfume themselves in species-specific blends, are known to be important in courtship, apparently assisting flies that taste (the wrong counterpart is flies to taste)the hydrocarbons on prospective mates in distinguishing their own species from others.
* all from GMATPrep.

Ron, in above 4, i can pick up the answer without distinguishing between Noun that do/dose and Noun to do.

I know Noun to do is iferior to Noun that do/dose when the Noun is concrete, but it seems that sometimes GAMT do not care the construct --concrete Noun + to do--as in the case of 1# and 3#, rather than 2# and 4#. Ron, could you share your insight about these 4 questions? i will be pleased to hear your opinion.


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* a tool to install the shelves (incorrect) --> a tool with which to install the shelves (correct)

Ron, i am not familiar with the red part; can we write a sentence in this way? i thought that which must be followed a clause when fuctioning as relative pronoun.
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Re: laboratory rats

by haritha.ith Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:57 pm

Hi Ron,
I find your responses to SC problems very useful.

I eliminated options C,D,E in this problem because it does not have subject-verb agreement

C.a substance that promotes blood clotting, but does not seriously interfere
D. which is a substance to promote blood clotting, but does not seriously interfere
E. which is a substance that promotes blood clotting, but not a serious interference

Since the subject is singular, verb also should be singular i,e interferes was the logic i used in elimination.

can you please point out where did i miss?
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Re: laboratory rats

by haritha.ith Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:39 pm

I have realized my mistake.

Does is the verb in the choices C,D.

C.a substance that promotes blood clotting, but does not seriously interfere
D. which is a substance to promote blood clotting, but does not seriously interfere

Option E does not have verb in the second clause so can be eliminated.Am i right?

E. which is a substance that promotes blood clotting, but not a serious interference
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Re: laboratory rats

by RonPurewal Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:09 am

haritha.ith Wrote:I have realized my mistake.

Does is the verb in the choices C,D.

C.a substance that promotes blood clotting, but does not seriously interfere
D. which is a substance to promote blood clotting, but does not seriously interfere


in (d), the subject would be "which" (which is... but does not...)
examine this structure carefully and you'll see that "substance" is not actually the subject of any verb.

Option E does not have verb in the second clause so can be eliminated.Am i right?


that's not the reason, because (e) doesn't attempt to create a structure with parallel verbs.
the parallel structure in (e) is "a substance ... but not a serious interference..."
from a grammatical standpoint that's fine, but it's nonsense from the standpoint of meaning: a substance is a physical entity, but interference is an action/event (in which one entity interferes with another entity).

the only sensible way to create the parallel structure here is to state that the substance does one thing (promotes xxxxx) but doesn't do another thing (doesn't interfere with xxxxx).
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Re: laboratory rats

by thanghnvn Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:06 am

noun doing/ noun which do

in this pattern, noun is the agent of "do, doing'

noun to do
means
noun for sombody to do
in this case, noun dose not make the "doing' . somebody else is the agent of "doing"

this is meaning differnce not matter of style. this thing can be learned easily if it is explained fully. og never explains fully for us and we have to stay here.

I think it is easy to remember this split.
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Re: laboratory rats

by jlucero Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:03 pm

Glad to see you're learning here.
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