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by eczozgeuyanik Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:54 am

3. Greatly influenced by the Protested missionary Samuel Kirkland, the Oneida was the only one of the five-nation Iroquois League who sided with the colonists during the American Revolution.
A. was the only one of the five-nation Iroquois League who sided
B. was alone of the five-nation Iroquois League when they sided
C. alone among the five-nation Iroquois League sided
D. were the only ones out of the five nations of Iroquois League in siding
E. only of the five-nation Iroquois League had sided
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by RonPurewal Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:22 am

ah yes, a tricky one.

'The Oneida' is plural, in much the same way as 'the English' or 'the French' would be plural (the French eat foods that are rather bizarre by the standards of most other countries). that observation knocks off choices a and b.

choice d is wrong because it is extremely, incredibly wordy. 'out of' is also a problem (because the gmat would only use 'out of' if it meant literally out of something, or in standard idioms like '3 out of 4'), but the wordiness of this choice should smack you in the face the second you look at it.

choice e is wrong because it uses the past perfect to refer to a single event. you need the simple past here (just 'sided', not 'had sided'), because there is no more recent time signal to justify the use of the past perfect for the 'earlier' event.

that leaves choice c, which uses the simple past correctly and is concise. (notice that singular/plural isn't an issue with that choice, because past tenses, with the exception of was/were, don't conjugate for number).
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by Guest Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:11 pm

RPurewal Wrote:ah yes, a tricky one.

'The Oneida' is plural, in much the same way as 'the English' or 'the French' would be plural (the French eat foods that are rather bizarre by the standards of most other countries). that observation knocks off choices a and b.

choice d is wrong because it is extremely, incredibly wordy. 'out of' is also a problem (because the gmat would only use 'out of' if it meant literally out of something, or in standard idioms like '3 out of 4'), but the wordiness of this choice should smack you in the face the second you look at it.

choice e is wrong because it uses the past perfect to refer to a single event. you need the simple past here (just 'sided', not 'had sided'), because there is no more recent time signal to justify the use of the past perfect for the 'earlier' event.

that leaves choice c, which uses the simple past correctly and is concise. (notice that singular/plural isn't an issue with that choice, because past tenses, with the exception of was/were, don't conjugate for number).




Thank you for the great explanation...
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by ENGINPASA1 Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:12 pm

first off thanks for the great explanation.

I am just making sure of a great tool I learned along the way. The process of elimination heirarchy is 1) grammar 2.) meaning 3.) style. I dont like C's style but i t doesnt break any rules. ALso I could have gotten snagged because I treated "the Oneida" as a singular team but got lucky and still picked c because of the "other" grammar issues. Correct me if I am wrong.

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by RonPurewal Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:27 am

ENGINPASA1 Wrote:first off thanks for the great explanation.

I am just making sure of a great tool I learned along the way. The process of elimination heirarchy is 1) grammar 2.) meaning 3.) style. I dont like C's style but i t doesnt break any rules. ALso I could have gotten snagged because I treated "the Oneida" as a singular team but got lucky and still picked c because of the "other" grammar issues. Correct me if I am wrong.

p.s. new here and love it!


that's pretty much the hierarchy, although we like to address it with our catchy mnemonic, The Three C's: correctness #1, clarity #2, concision #3.

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by sanj Fri May 02, 2008 7:25 am

wow Ron you are great. i have never seen such explanations on other sites.
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by Guest Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:17 pm

Ron, dont you think choice C lacks a comma after "the oneida"?

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by RonPurewal Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:57 pm

Guest Wrote:Ron, dont you think choice C lacks a comma after "the oneida"?

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no, you can't put commas around "alone of the five-nation iroquois league". that's an essential modifier; it's indispensable to the meaning of the sentence, and is NOT a separate description of the oneida. in other words, you're not saying that the oneida were actually alone per se; you're just saying that they were alone in siding with the colonists. those are two very different things indeed.

if you wrote the version with commas - the oneida, alone among the five-nation Iroquois League, sided... - you'd have the following 2 undesirable changes in meaning:
(1) you have a separate description of the oneida as "alone among the five-nation iroquois league" - i.e., they're just "alone", in some sense that we don't even know.
(2) because the modifier is now nonessential (it's basically treated as just an extra random fact about the oneida), you now have a sentence that only tells you that the oneida sided with the colonists. the sentence no longer addresses the issue of whether the other 4 nations sided with the colonists.
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Re: GMATprep SC

by muralik.abm Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:59 am

Hi Ron,

The independent clause in the sentence is
"the Oneida was the only one of the five-nation Iroquois League who sided with the colonists during the American Revolution"

if we incorporate choice "C" into the above sentence,

"the Oneida
alone among the five-nation Iroquois League sided
with the colonists during the American Revolution"

does "sided" here act as a verb? is it not a participle?

In other terms,
which one of the below is the intent meaning of the sentence?

1. "the Oneida were sided with x "
2. "the Oneida sided with x"

Please explain.

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by tim Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:34 pm

does it matter? "were sided" does not show up in any of the answer choices. and "sided" is indeed a verb here..
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by chugh.gurpreet Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:45 pm

Hi Ron
I have a query regarding your explanation (french, english) of oneida being plural. What if it is considered as nation as it is clearly indicated in the question that it is one of five nation. In that case it is singular as a country/nation is singular. Or I am missing something.
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Re: GMATprep SC

by RonPurewal Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:39 am

chugh.gurpreet Wrote:Hi Ron
I have a query regarding your explanation (french, english) of oneida being plural. What if it is considered as nation as it is clearly indicated in the question that it is one of five nation. In that case it is singular as a country/nation is singular. Or I am missing something.


"the oneida" is unambiguously plural. see my explanation above -- that's really all i've got here; it works just like "the americans" or "the french". it refers to a group of people.
perhaps it would help to explain a little bit: the oneida are a "nation" in the sense that they are a native american tribe; they don't have their own country. if they had their own country, then the geographical name of that country would be singular, although any reference to the people of that country would still be plural. (e.g., france is singular, but the french is plural.)

there is no contradiction here -- as another example, "the cherokee tribe" is also singular, although "the cherokee" (another group of people) is plural.
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by raheel11 Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:13 am

Hi Ron,

I have a question regarding the usage of 'who' in choice A. Is this usage of 'who' correct? As far as I understood, who can only refer to people and in this case, who is being used to refer to a nation, 'the oneida' . Should a 'that' be used instead of 'who' in this sentence?

I am asking to know if I can use this 'who' to eliminate choice A?

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by messi10 Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:59 am

Hi Raheel,

One of the instructors may need to clarify this but I believe "who" is not incorrect in A. This is because "the Onieda" refers to a group of people and people can be referred to by "who"

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by tim Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:41 pm

Correct. "Who" refers to people, and "the Oneida" is a nation of people, so it's totally appropriate..
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