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From 1965 on, region’s standard of living has soared

by chetan86 Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:39 am

From 1965 on, region’s standard of living has soared, but also unemployment and prices.

(A) but also
(B) and also
(C) but so have
(D) and so also
(E) but so did

Could you please explain why we need 'BUT'?
I thought we have to say : the region's "standard of living" and "unemployment & prices" have increased simultaneously. Why we need contrast?

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Re: From 1965 on, region’s standard of living has soared

by RonPurewal Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:15 pm

remember, the first step is ALWAYS "what's the message?"

consider:
Roy's work is becoming more dangerous, and he is being forced to work longer hours.
... both of these are bad things. "but" would be nonsense here; there's no contrast.

Roy's work is becoming more dangerous, but his pay rate has been raised significantly.
... the first thing is bad; the second is good. "and" would be nonsense here.

the sentence at hand is just like the second example, and not at all like the first.
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Re: From 1965 on, region’s standard of living has soared

by chetan86 Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:04 am

RonPurewal Wrote:remember, the first step is ALWAYS "what's the message?"

consider:
Roy's work is becoming more dangerous, and he is being forced to work longer hours.
... both of these are bad things. "but" would be nonsense here; there's no contrast.

Roy's work is becoming more dangerous, but his pay rate has been raised significantly.
... the first thing is bad; the second is good. "and" would be nonsense here.

the sentence at hand is just like the second example, and not at all like the first.


Hi Ron,

Thanks a lot for great explanation!!

Learning : "what's the message?" is a crucial thing to know before attacking the option.

Thanks!!!
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Re: From 1965 on, region’s standard of living has soared

by RonPurewal Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:41 pm

chetan86 Wrote:
RonPurewal Wrote:Learning : "what's the message?" is a crucial thing to know before attacking the option.


don't forget that this difference——the need for human understanding in the verbal problems——is the only reason why there's a quant section vs. a verbal section.

if SC tested only your rote ability to recognize grammatical structures, then it would be in the quant section, not the verbal section. because in that case it would basically just be another kind of algebra.
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Re: From 1965 on, region’s standard of living has soared

by chetan86 Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:05 am

RonPurewal Wrote:
chetan86 Wrote:
RonPurewal Wrote:Learning : "what's the message?" is a crucial thing to know before attacking the option.


don't forget that this difference——the need for human understanding in the verbal problems——is the only reason why there's a quant section vs. a verbal section.

if SC tested only your rote ability to recognize grammatical structures, then it would be in the quant section, not the verbal section. because in that case it would basically just be another kind of algebra.


Yeah, sure. :)
Thank you!!!
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Re: From 1965 on, region’s standard of living has soared

by RonPurewal Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:05 am

you're welcome.
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Re: From 1965 on, region’s standard of living has soared

by vishalc581 Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:11 am

Hi Ron,

I still didn't get how to choose between "and" and "but".


If I replace "but" in your example with "and" then also the sentence looks good to me. :(

Roy's work is becoming more dangerous, and his pay rate has been raised significantly.

Meaning: Roy's work is getting dangerous day by day but on the other side his pay has been raising at high proportions.


A new doubt arised in my mind do the verbs need to be in same tense in sentence connected by ,and.

I mean part 1 in above sentence is in present continuous tense and part 2 is in present perfect. Do we need like perfect or continuous tenses on both the sides?
Thanks & Regards,
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Re: From 1965 on, region’s standard of living has soared

by RonPurewal Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:19 am

look at what you just did:
Meaning: Roy's work is getting dangerous day by day but on the other side his pay has been raising at high proportions.


^^ that. in trying to explain this, you TOOK OUT "and", and PUT "but" BACK IN.

think about WHY you did this. you did it because you intuitively understood that 'but' is the connection that makes sense here.
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Re: From 1965 on, region’s standard of living has soared

by RonPurewal Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:20 am

vishalc581 Wrote:do the verbs need to be in same tense in sentence connected by ,and.


no.
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Re: From 1965 on, region’s standard of living has soared

by aflaamM589 Sun May 29, 2016 6:09 pm

Ron can you tell how to choose between so have and so did?
Is have used here because has is used in earlier part--> has and have are, thus, parallel?
But same reasoning also seems to be true for did
Appreciate any help
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Re: From 1965 on, region’s standard of living has soared

by RonPurewal Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:05 am

both things are in the same timeframe, so, same tense.
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Re: From 1965 on, region’s standard of living has soared

by aflaamM589 Tue Jun 07, 2016 3:26 am

Thank you very much.
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Re: From 1965 on, region’s standard of living has soared

by RonPurewal Wed Jun 08, 2016 4:03 am

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Re: From 1965 on, region’s standard of living has soared

by vishalc581 Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:37 am

RonPurewal Wrote:look at what you just did:
Meaning: Roy's work is getting dangerous day by day but on the other side his pay has been raising at high proportions.


^^ that. in trying to explain this, you TOOK OUT "and", and PUT "but" BACK IN.

think about WHY you did this. you did it because you intuitively understood that 'but' is the connection that makes sense here.



Thanks a lot! Ron :)
Thanks & Regards,
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Re: From 1965 on, region’s standard of living has soared

by RonPurewal Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:09 am

you're welcome.