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Classic 650+ craving for help

by JieZ636 Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:30 am

Here is the story:
I took my first try 50 days ago and scored 660. It was slightly lower than I expected, so I purchase ESR to see what went wrong.
ESR: Q 47
V 34 (RC 37 SC 25 CR 41)
Total 77

The past 50 days I was stuck with my finals so I wasn't paying attention on GMAT. Yesterday, I signed up my next test in Sep 12.
My aim score is 720+. (I know is hard but it's worth trying because of my relatively low GPA.)
Last time I didn't pay attention to Q at all. The only thing I done to prepare my Q is solved the last 30 DS in OG. I am pretty confident that my future Q score will be 50+.
Now after 5 days of intense practice, I found some problems that I could really need help.
1. You guys can guess from my score that I am not a native speaker, SC has been a big problem for me since day one. So I put a lot of effort to it. Before the test, I done 60 questions 20 in a roll in strict timing. I nailed 15 out of 20 in every group. But I crashed in the test.
Yesterday I done another 20, still the same, 16 out of 20 are correct. I am getting the feeling that I know all the basic rules and the basic points, now I am having hard time putting them together. I recall one thing on my last test is that half of the question can eliminate down to 2 choices. Then I am guessing.
What should I do next, and how can I improve the Meaning parts of SC. Some times the basic rules are just not enough. I gone though Manhattan Prep SC for 3 times now. I know the rules and all. Should I keep on practicing OG and Prep. Or should I drill on one aspect at a time according to RON's lecture.
2. I never take notes in my CR and RC . Now I think about it, I did waste some time. So I want to improve my notes-taking-skills. Is there a specific lecture about notes-taking in Thursday with Ron.(I am in China now and I am having problems loading the video even with VPN on.)
3. Please give me some advice on the next 50 days. It would be much appreciated.

Thanks again for your time, this is a really long post. I am tired and a little despaired. Three big smiley face for every one. :D :D :D
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Re: Classic 650+ craving for help

by StaceyKoprince Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:23 pm

You have done very good work so far! :)

First, if you want a 720+, you have to get a very high score in your stronger area (quant, for you). So you do have to hit a 50 or 51 (51 is the top score). I know your primary focus is on verbal, but it's not easy to score 50 or 51 on the quant, so you do need to make sure you devote some time to studying that section.

Next, 34 is already quite a good score on V, so good job there so far. If you can hit Q50, you'll need about V38 to hit 720, so you're not that far away from your goal.

You mentioned that, on many SCs, you're able to narrow down to 2 answers but then you have to guess. For all of those problems (whether you end up guessing right or wrong), you need to do the following analysis:

(1) Why was the wrong answer so tempting? why did it look like it might be right? (be as explicit as possible; also, now you know this is not a good reason to pick an answer)
(2) Why was it actually wrong? what specific words indicate that it is wrong and how did I overlook those clues the first time?
(3) Why did the right answer seem wrong? what made it so tempting to cross off the right answer? why were those things actually okay; what was my error in thinking that they were wrong? (also, now you know that this is not a good reason to eliminate an answer)
(4) Why was it actually right?

You can use the above for CR and RC as well. Digging in at this level will help you to learn the specific things that are tripping you up right now.

You also mention that you have our SC strategy guide. Do you also have access to our GMAT Navigator program—our program for use with the OG? It contains all of our own solutions to the OG problems (note: through OG2018), and I think that's especially helpful for SC because the official SC explanations are hard to follow. Try to figure out as much as you can yourself when doing the answer-choice analysis, and use our SC explanations to help confirm what you've figured out (and to tell you whether there's something else that you didn't figure out).

The Thursdays with Ron lectures have never been catalogued, so I don't know whether he addressed how to take notes for CR or RC. Our CR and RC strategy guides, though, do discuss how to take notes. You can also look at our blog for some free resources—they're not as comprehensive as a book, of course, but they can get you started.

In this old RC series, I link to various other articles, including some on how to read and take notes:
https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/blog ... rehension/

And here's a similar old CR series:
blog/2013/06/19/the-master-resource-list-for-critical-reasoning/

There are also a lot of newer articles—just search our blog for more.

If you'd like to get more detailed feedback, first, read these two articles:
http://tinyurl.com/executivereasoning
http://tinyurl.com/2ndlevelofgmat

Think about how what you've been doing does and doesn't match up with that and how you may need to change your approach accordingly.

Then, use the below to analyze your most recent MPrep CATs (this should take you a minimum of 1 hour, likely much longer):
https://www.beatthegmat.com/mba/2018/05 ... ats-part-1

Based on all of that, figure out your specific strengths and weaknesses by question type / content area as well as any ideas you have for what you think you should do. Then come back here and tell us; we'll tell you whether we agree and advise you further. (Note: do share an analysis with us, not just the raw data. Your analysis should include a discussion of your buckets—you'll understand what that means when you read the last article. Part of getting better is developing your ability to analyze your result—figure out what they mean and what you think you should do about them!)
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Re: Classic 650+ craving for help

by JieZ636 Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:44 pm

Thanks Stacey!
I took the MP CAT 5 days before my first try. I didn't finish the math, I will do the Q as soon as I finish all the OG problems, and then I will come back and share my experience.
Since I didn't practice much after my first try, so the score on my last CAT can represent my skills now. Last time, I scored 36. I analyzed my performance according to your blog, and I think I might have some problems listed as follow.
1. Time management.First, I can easily get lost in reading, especially detailed or infer. I realized this before I post. Thanks for the notes on CR and SC. I will start practicing right away. Second, I am not use to miss things, especially Q. I remember my last G. I was ahead of schedule like 5 mins. Then I was stuck with a remainder problem. And I spent 6 mins on it. I am serious..... :shock: :shock: So the last 5 of them I am nervous and unable to focus, that is when I crashed.
2. RC, this is a weak spot for me. Because I hate practicing. I just hate it. So now I am the kind of student that read everything, and finish them. If I understand the story, for instance, the OG(gravity and position of snakes.) is not hard for my. However, the one like OG(water flow of India reservation or the Jamaican-born social activist Marcus Garvey) these field of knowledge are things I know nothing about. I get lost, and loss patient.
3. SC, thanks for the advice on SC. I am the kind of students that only focus on answer and never analyze. Thanks a lot.

So now I will start to practice my notes taking skills on RC an CR. Finish all the Q in OG in 5 days. And drill on OG SC with Manhattan navigator(never heard it before....). Then I will buy the MP CAT 1~6 packs. Then see how am I doing. Really hope that I can get some advice for you after I analyze my CAT.
Really really really thank you. I am so happy now because I find my motives~ :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Classic 650+ craving for help

by StaceyKoprince Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:33 pm

Good! Yes, you definitely have to change the "must get everything right" mindset on this test. That will just get you into trouble! :)

Finish all the Q in OG in 5 days.


Speaking of mindset...your goal isn't actually to DO everything that can be done. You aren't going to see these specific problems on the real test. Rather, you are going to see problems that are built in a similar way—so your goal is to learn how to think your way through these kinds of problems, so that you know how to think your way through similar-but-different problems on the real test.

Note: "think your way through," by the way, includes being able to think, "This is really hard and I'm not getting it, so I should just guess and move on." Preferably quickly / before I've already spent 6 minutes. :D

Keep me posted!
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Re: Classic 650+ craving for help

by JieZ636 Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:34 am

Hi Stacey!
I AM REALLY GRATEFUL FOR YOUR RESPONSES. :D :D :D :D

Your advice have helped me a lot. Now I am getting the point that quality is way more important than quantity.
So the past few days, I strictly control the number of question and devote way more time to analyze it and trying to get the patterns. It is very helpful.

I have a little problem that might not have an answer to it. Hope you can give me some advice.

The past 5 days, I am still stuck on 15 out of 20 in SC. (20 each days and trying to figure out what went wrong.)
The missing 5 each day have 3 common. (take today's practice for example.)

1. 1 or 2 are obvious mistake that I missed(dated to be 47 millions years old; spanning----Muller's career). I think the brain might be over-heat. Tomorrow I will try deep breath between questions.

2. Some are questions that are out of my reach. I am wrong because I didn't fully understand the sentence.
For instance, I know that parallelism must consider meaning. (1. fatigue among worker while raising. 2. Sloth hangs from tree,sleeping, moving )
But with all the things pumping in my head, I just totally forgets about meaning. Everything is grammar grammar and grammar.
How can I do better? I know this question is a bit of vague, so please just mention anything that your think might be helpful. I will try it.

3. Question just too hard for me..........(historical sighting Halley's Comet;Clovis points). I just get lost, no clue in strict timing. Maybe this will get better after my ability to understand sentence improve.

Thanks again! Please feel free to give me any advice~ I have so much free time now.....
Have a great day!

Just for fun: I am preparing my TOEFL at the same time. Compared to GMAT reading, the TOEFL reading feels like I can breath again. No conclusion, no turn points, no maps, just read.
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Re: Classic 650+ craving for help

by StaceyKoprince Mon Aug 06, 2018 4:47 pm

1. Careless mistakes. Sometimes this is just "my brain was tired"—but your brain may get tired during the real test, too, right? And, often, the specific careless mistake is tied to something that we can make better for next time.

So think about what bad habit you need to break or good habit you need to build that would help you to better avoid that specific kind of careless mistake in future.

I'm jumping ahead and read the rest of your post now. So I'm going to continue from the end of your post. :D

When people are also studying for the TOEFL, I generally recommend studying for and taking that test first. As you noted, the TOEFL doesn't get to the same level of intricacy. Mastering what you need for the TOEFL first will then help you in your GMAT studies. Just something to think about.

Next, your items 2 and 3 are also geared towards the overall goal of "How do I get these all right in future?"

We need to talk about that. The goal is NOT to be able to answer everything correctly in future. This isn't a school test—it's a business test. Part of what you're doing is setting priorities, and some priorities are "This is too hard and I just need to figure out how I can know to guess fast on something like this in future."

Halley's Comet is a great example. The underline is super short. There are very few differences among the answers—they can't really "hide" anything in there. The sentence structure is really unusual. It's hard to articulate what's going on with the differences in the answer choices—even though there are only about 5 words in each choice, so it's really easy to see the differences. You can see what they are...but you can't really articulate what they mean.

Those characteristics in general = signals that this is way too hard! Guess and move on. And don't even try to study it to get better—not when you've got lower-hanging fruit to go after, such as careless mistakes or things that you could spot if you trained yourself to pay more attention to meaning, etc.

Which brings us to #2: You seem to be saying two different things here. First, you say that you didn't fully understand the sentence. (Not understanding the sentence, by the way, is another reason to bail / guess and move on.)

But then you say that you just forgot to consider meaning because you were so focused on grammar. If it was the case that you did understand but just forgot to consider meaning, but once you did think about meaning you were able to see the issue, then the real problem here is that we have to train you to remember to consider meaning.

And you do that just like you train yourself to do anything else: building an explicit, conscious habit to do something. In our SC process, the second step is Read For Meaning.

Maybe you need to make a flash card that says MEANING! in capital letters on it and prop it up every time you're doing an SC.

Maybe, while you're reading the original sentence, you hold that flash card in your hand—to remind yourself that you have to consider meaning, every time.

Maybe you review problems that you've already done and try to call out ALL potential meaning issues in all answer choices, even if you were able to eliminate an answer using grammar. Then check the solution (or our Navigator solution for OG) to see whether we called something out as a meaning issue that you didn't notice for that reason.

Maybe you try a new SC untimed and you *first* have to look for any and all meaning issues before you're allowed to use any grammar issues you spot. Jot down the pure grammar clues but tell yourself you just can't deal with them quite yet. First, you have to consider whether anything's illogical, or redundant, or ambiguous.

Maybe...brainstorm some other things you could try that would get your brain to focus on meaning first. (This doesn't mean that, in future, you won't use grammar—you will, and you'll even use grammar first a lot of the time. But for now, you need to train yourself to focus on meaning first because the issue is that you're forgetting to use it at all. Once it's ingrained in your brain that you will always consider meaning alongside of grammar, then you can choose which issues to deal with first.)
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