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Re: Asset allocators create portfolios, often in the form of...

by mschwrtz Thu Sep 23, 2010 3:46 am

Could you please clarify the below part with an example?

Hmm.... Does the example above answer your question? Also, if you access to MGMAT SC Guide, check the very bottom of page 234. Does that help?
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Re: Asset allocators create portfolios, often in the form of...

by patil.ambar Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:48 am

",...with the intention to turn in..."

this refers to the subject of the preceding clause .
I am confused as to which is the preceding clause.

Is it 'often in the form of of mutual funds '
Or is it 'Asset allocators create portfolios' ?

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Re: Asset allocators create portfolios, often in the form of...

by namnam123 Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:00 am

I do not see A is not logic.

both A and C are correct.
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Re: Asset allocators create portfolios, often in the form of...

by RonPurewal Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:19 am

patil.ambar Wrote:",...with the intention to turn in..."

this refers to the subject of the preceding clause .
I am confused as to which is the preceding clause.

Is it 'often in the form of of mutual funds '
Or is it 'Asset allocators create portfolios' ?


the first of these is not a clause; it's just a modifier. only the second of these is a clause.

also, "intention to..." isn't idiomatic; you can't say that you have the intention to do something. you have to say that you have the intention of doing something.
(on the other hand, with the verb "intend", the same idiom is just fine -- i.e., you intend to do something. it would be incorrect to say that you intend of doing something.)
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Re: Asset allocators create portfolios, often in the form of...

by eran230 Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:20 am

RonPurewal Wrote:
patil.ambar Wrote:",...with the intention to turn in..."

this refers to the subject of the preceding clause .
I am confused as to which is the preceding clause.

Is it 'often in the form of of mutual funds '
Or is it 'Asset allocators create portfolios' ?


the first of these is not a clause; it's just a modifier. only the second of these is a clause.

also, "intention to..." isn't idiomatic; you can't say that you have the intention to do something. you have to say that you have the intention of doing something.
(on the other hand, with the verb "intend", the same idiom is just fine -- i.e., you intend to do something. it would be incorrect to say that you intend of doing something.)



Can (A) means that portfolios have intention?
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Re: Asset allocators create portfolios, often in the form of...

by jlucero Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:34 pm

No. This is an issue of idiom, not meaning.

I make something with the intention of giving it to you.

It's not the "something" that has an intention.
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Re: Asset allocators create portfolios, often in the form of...

by thanghnvn Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:40 am

Asset allocators create portfolios, often in the form of mutual funds, with the intention to turn in good results in both "bull" and "bear" markets.
a. same
b. the intention of which is
c. intended
d. and intending
e. so intended as

thank you Ron, and Manhantan experts.

I like "comma+ with phrase " very much.

"with phrase" must modify preceding and touching noun.

however,

"comma+with phrase" such as ", with the intention to turn in..." modify the clause near to it. So

"comma+with phrase" is adverbial, something, which modify verb/clause.

This is why the meaning is A is "the allocators have intention to turn in" and is not logic. The logic is "the fund intended to turn in".

pls, confirm/modify the above thinking.

One question.

How many types of meaning relation are there between adverbial and verb/clause? and how many types of meaning relation are there between "comma+with phrase" and verb/clause.

because "comma+with phrase" is something which modify verb/clause, it can shows
- purpose of the verb/clause. (this question)
- effect of the verb/clause (I used to see this case on gmatprep)
- how the verb/clause is done (I have not seen this case)

because the success on this question depends on our ability to realize that " allocators have intention to turn in..."is not so logic as " the fund intended to turn in ..." , knowing the types of meaning relation between "comma+with phrase" and verb/clause definitely helps us get that realization


pls, detail the relations.
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Re: Asset allocators create portfolios, often in the form of...

by RonPurewal Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:13 am

thanghnvn Wrote:I like "comma+ with phrase " very much.


the original sentence here isn't really of that type.
the commas belong to the intervening modifier ("often in the form of...").
if you take that modifier out, you get a sentence without commas: asset allocators often create portfolios with the intention...

by the way, the error in the original version is an error of idiom: as stated above, the intention to VERB is unidiomatic.

How many types of meaning relation are there between adverbial and verb/clause? and how many types of meaning relation are there between "comma+with phrase" and verb/clause.


it's better just to realize that there must be some kind of relationship between the modifier and the clause. there's little sense in trying to draw up a detailed/exhaustive list -- essentially, either there's a relationship (good) or there isn't (bad).
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Re: Asset allocators create portfolios, often in the form of...

by thanghnvn Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:04 am

Thank you Ron and Manhantan experts,
the sentence is
the alloacators create portforlio with the intention to turn in good result.

intention of turning
is idiomatic.

in above sentence "with the intention..." modifies the subject "allocators"

THIS VERB IS TROUBLE. the idioms for this verb is
somebody intend something
something is intended.
intention of doing

what is the idiom for "purpose" ???
purpose of doing
OR
purpose to do
pls, help
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Re: Asset allocators create portfolios, often in the form of...

by RonPurewal Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:10 pm

thanghnvn Wrote:what is the idiom for "purpose" ???
purpose of doing
OR
purpose to do
pls, help


in this case you would want the first of these.