After several years of rapid growth

[thanghnvn]

After several years of rapid growth, the healthy care company became one of the largest health care providers in the metropolitan area, while it then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in its payment to doctors and hospitals.


A. while it then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in its payment to
B. while it then proved unable to handle the increase in business and fell months behind in its payment to
C. but then it proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in its paying
D. but then proving unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in paying
E. but then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in paying


I am uneasy with "in paying" and "its payment" and want to try to explain.

in most of the cases, "doing" is associated with the creator of "doing" already" and this pattern is concise and nor redundant. for example

I get good knowledge in learning gmat.
I learn gmat, making my knowlege better.

in all 2 cases, which are similar to the choice E, the creator of "doing" is clear and we should not use possessive+noun which can be wordy or reduntant.

some persons even think pessessive+doing is flat out incorrect when the noun of doing exists.

is my thinking correct?

[jlucero]

", but" connects two independent clauses I heard.

the comma is sometimes employed when "but" is used to connect units smaller than clauses, if those units are so long that the sentence becomes difficult to read without the comma.

for instance:
James tried to sneak back into the house at 5 a.m. without waking his parents, but climbed through a window directly into the room where his father was already getting dressed.
--> try taking out the comma; if you do, the sentence becomes an unreadable blob.

Sorry for picking it up from the middle of a conversation. I couldn't understand if "it" after "but" in option C is (always) right or wrong?

thank you very much in advance

I'm not sure how/if you were referring back to NYCfox's question, but the "it" in C is acceptable but not necessary.

[jlucero]

After several years of rapid growth, the healthy care company became one of the largest health care providers in the metropolitan area, while it then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in its payment to doctors and hospitals.


A. while it then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in its payment to
B. while it then proved unable to handle the increase in business and fell months behind in its payment to
C. but then it proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in its paying
D. but then proving unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in paying
E. but then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in paying


I am uneasy with "in paying" and "its payment" and want to try to explain.

in most of the cases, "doing" is associated with the creator of "doing" already" and this pattern is concise and nor redundant. for example

I get good knowledge in learning gmat.
I learn gmat, making my knowlege better.

in all 2 cases, which are similar to the choice E, the creator of "doing" is clear and we should not use possessive+noun which can be wordy or reduntant.

some persons even think pessessive+doing is flat out incorrect when the noun of doing exists.

is my thinking correct?

You've got quite a few grammar errors here, I think you need to rephrase this as I'm not sure what exactly you are asking here.

[thanghnvn]

what I want to say is that

"doing " is used when the creator of " doing" is clear.

in learning gmat, I learn many other things.
not
in my learning gmat, I learn many other things

noun, not "doing" is used to refer the general thing. that is why we need possesive to show who do the action of noun. consider

group A's attempt is good.

After several years of rapid growth, the healthy care company became one of the largest health care providers in the metropolitan area, while it then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in its payment to doctors and hospitals.


A. while it then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in its payment to
B. while it then proved unable to handle the increase in business and fell months behind in its payment to
C. but then it proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in its paying
D. but then proving unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in paying
E. but then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in paying

inhere, in E, the doer of "paying' is clear so we do not use possessive any more. E is correct and "its" in C is redundant.

so, when noun exist, possessive+ doing is wrong alway.

is my thinking correct?

I thinh we should not discuss so far. just remember
possessive+doing is alway wrong if noun of doing exists.

[jnelson0612]

what I want to say is that

"doing " is used when the creator of " doing" is clear.

in learning gmat, I learn many other things.
not
in my learning gmat, I learn many other things

noun, not "doing" is used to refer the general thing. that is why we need possesive to show who do the action of noun. consider

group A's attempt is good.

After several years of rapid growth, the healthy care company became one of the largest health care providers in the metropolitan area, while it then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in its payment to doctors and hospitals.


A. while it then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in its payment to
B. while it then proved unable to handle the increase in business and fell months behind in its payment to
C. but then it proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in its paying
D. but then proving unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in paying
E. but then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in paying

inhere, in E, the doer of "paying' is clear so we do not use possessive any more. E is correct and "its" in C is redundant.

so, when noun exist, possessive+ doing is wrong alway.

is my thinking correct?

I thinh we should not discuss so far. just remember
possessive+doing is alway wrong if noun of doing exists.

I think that a good way to think about this is that certain pronouns are frequently used incorrectly. They are IT, ITS, THEY, THEN, and THEIR. When I see these pronouns I am immediately suspicious. If I can construct a sentence without them I do so. I agree that here we are very clear that the company is paying, so it is unnecessary to use "its" to refer to the company.

[louiseytliu]

Hi,

In (E), but then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in paying .....

Is this "falling" an adjective here? or the conjunction "and" is omitted?

[RonPurewal]

Hi,

In (E), but then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in paying .....

Is this "falling" an adjective here? or the conjunction "and" is omitted?

comma + "falling" is a modifier describing the previous clause. for more examples, see the modifiers chapter of the SC strategy guide.

[vietmoi937]

After several years of rapid growth, the healthy care company became one of the largest health care providers in the metropolitan area,// while it then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in its payment to// doctors and hospitals.


A. while it then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in its payment to
B. while it then proved unable to handle the increase in business and fell months behind in its payment to
C. but then it proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in its paying
D. but then proving unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in paying
E. but then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in paying


I want to return to this problem after reading grammar books many weeks.

when the subject of doing is clear from the context, we do not use possesive . This is redundant.

I learn gmat, making a pleasure to myself. (this pattern is explained in section "participle" of grammar books" )

when the subject of the doing is different from the subject of main clause, we use possesive.

I like his learning English. (this pattern is explain in portion "object" of grammar book)

in this sentence, possesive+doing+object is grammatical. I think there are many question in og, which prove this point.

I think there are only 2 patterns. and if we do not want to learn the logicness, just remember 2 patterns of "doing" above and we can make a decision between C and E.

please, confirm my thinking.

[vietmoi937]

the difference in C and E worries me. I post again.

we use "doing" when the subject of "doing" is the same as subject of main clause.

I learn English in speaking it with foreigners.

we use possesive+doing , or possesive+noun when the subject of doing is different from subject of main clause

I like his learning of English.

I like his attempt to work

if we use possesive+ doing , when the subject of doing is the same as subject of main clause, there is a wordy phrase. the phrase "its payment" in C is wordy.

please, comment/supplement to the point of possesive+doing.

[vietmoi937]

I want to continue.

if we want to say about a general action, we use noun not "doing" and if there is no noun, we use "doing of"

learning of english is good for everybody. (there is no noun "learnation)

the due paymen is good.

if we want to say about the action of a specific person/subject, we use "doing"

I learn gmat, making my english better.

is my thinking correct?

[tim]

It seems that you may have some legitimate ideas here (although not all of them by any means), but your examples are so riddled with grammar errors - as are your explanations - that it's hard to figure out what you're saying exactly. PLEASE spend more time making your posts grammatically correct so we can actually help you, rather than spending your time posting so many grammatically incorrect and incomprehensible posts.

[HanzZ]

Hello instructors,

Without 'its' in choice C, would it be correct? Namely, '...but then it proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in paying...'

Could you please shed some light on when do we need to repeat the subject (after 'but')? If there's a need to repeart, should we use a pronoun or write out the exact words for the subject again? Are they both correct?

Thanks!

Henry

[thanghnvn]

After several years of rapid growth, the healthy care company became one of the largest health care providers in the metropolitan area, //while it then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in its payment to //doctors and hospitals.


A. while it then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in its payment to
B. while it then proved unable to handle the increase in business and fell months behind in its payment to
C. but then it proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in its paying
D. but then proving unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in paying
E. but then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in paying

I wish Manhantan experts to confirm the following.

"doing" can be used as a participle. This means "doing" as participle must refer to a specific action of a specifice subject/agent in the sentence. The subject/agent must appear somewhere in the sentence. "doing" as participle dose not take possessive because the agent/subject of the "doing" is clear from context and adding of the possessive is redundant. that is why "its paying" in C is wrong.

however, when there is no action noun (there is no "learnation"), "doing" must be used to talk about a general action and do not need to refer a a subject/agent in the sentence. "doing" refering to a general action can go with possessive. both below sentenses are correct.

your attempt to learn gmat is good

your burning fuel more efficiently is good for your house.

But, where the action noun (payment) exists, gmat prefers the use of action noun, not the use of "doing" to talk about a general action. there is a question in og ( its trying to render harmlesss ....) , which show that gmat disagree possessive+doing when the action noun exists.

plsease, confirm, Ron, Manhantan experts.

[RonPurewal]

that sounds pretty much accurate, yes.

plsease, confirm, Ron, Manhantan experts.

please learn to spell "Manhattan" correctly. it's on the top of every single page of this entire website.
thanks!

[Suapplle]

Ronnie is correct on both counts, but I'll add a bit more for clarity:

The word "while" indicates "at the same time." You are right that we can use it to mean "although." However, the meaning is not clear here with the word "while." Thus, "but" is better.

As for the -ing issue, notice that we want the first verb to be in an actual tense, and specifically parallel to "became." (The word "but" indicates parallelism.)

Hi,instructor,I am confused about the usage of "while"
"While " can mean "at the same time" or " contrast ".
In choice A,"while" means "contrast" and it also indicates the contrast happens at the same time ?or it just means "contrast"?
Please clarify,thanks!