A recent poll indicates that many people in the United State

[awahid14]

Hi,
In regards to response to possible answer
C)is a run on: "they denounce, they say" Both of those - "they denounce big government" and "
they say that government is doing too much" - are independent clauses and need to be connected

-are independent clauses able to be constructed in parallel structure so you can have something like "Guys replying to the survey said they sleep, they eat, and they watch tv"

Or is a conjunction still required?

[RonPurewal]

-are independent clauses able to be constructed in parallel structure so you can have something like "Guys replying to the survey said they sleep, they eat, and they watch tv"

Or is a conjunction still required?

the construction "x, y, and z" contains the conjunction "and" -- so i'm not sure what you are asking.

[sauravkohli4]

Ron, although I arrived at (A) by eliminating others, I still dont understand how it is parallel.
As I understand,the main verbs in the sentence are denounce and support and they should be parallel. Instead the sentence is using denounce v/s supporting.

Please explain.

-saurav

[sauravkohli4]

Tutors, pls reply

[RonPurewal]

Ron, although I arrived at (A) by eliminating others, I still dont understand how it is parallel.
As I understand,the main verbs in the sentence are denounce and support and they should be parallel. Instead the sentence is using denounce v/s supporting.

Please explain.

-saurav

"while" + verbING does not require parallelism.
if you have X while Y as a single modifier, then parallelism would be ideal (e.g., James executed the stunt perfectly, balancing the plates while jumping across the pit); however, in the kind of structure that appears here, it's not necessary -- a lesson that you could infer by observing the structure of the correct answer.

[RonPurewal]

Tutors, pls reply

don't do this -- i.e., DO NOT post a message that says "please answer my question".
this is called "bumping" the thread; it brings the thread up to the most recent position in the folder.

the problem, of course -- besides the fact that "reminder posts" are rude and unprofessional -- is that we answer the posts strictly in order from oldest to newest. therefore, if you post a message, with no content, that says "please answer this post", then you are moving the thread to the LAST place in the queue.

please be patient -- we will get to all of the threads. if you make posts like this one, you're just making yourself wait longer.

thanks.

[st_t_sv]

Hi ,

Can you please explain why "saying" is correct??

SHouldn't it be 'saying that'?

thanks...

[RonPurewal]

Hi ,

Can you please explain why "saying" is correct??

SHouldn't it be 'saying that'?

thanks...

it's ok to omit "that" between "say(ing)" and a clause like this one.

read here:
post8811.html

[vidhya.rao]

Guys,

Doesn't while and at the same time means the same thing?

Hence I crossed off A.

Thanks

[tim]

they do not mean exactly the same thing..

[nowwithgmat]

hello instructor

A recent poll indicates that many people in the United States hold a combination of conservative and liberal political views; i.e., they denounce big government, saying government is doing too much and has become too powerful, while at the same time supporting many specific government programs for health care, education, and the environment

as i know participle modifier is a phrase, but bolded portion seems to me it is a clause.

weather bolded portion in the above sentence is participle modifier ??
if so what is it modifying, or if not what is it??

thanx in advance

[RonPurewal]

hello instructor

A recent poll indicates that many people in the United States hold a combination of conservative and liberal political views; i.e., they denounce big government, saying government is doing too much and has become too powerful, while at the same time supporting many specific government programs for health care, education, and the environment

as i know participle modifier is a phrase, but bolded portion seems to me it is a clause.

weather bolded portion in the above sentence is participle modifier ??
if so what is it modifying, or if not what is it??

thanx in advance

that is a standard "comma + -ing" modifier:
, saying + xxxxx
it describes the previous clause ("they denounce big government").

there are some verbs in there, but they are all part of the "xxxx" thing. the modifier itself is comma + saying...

[thanghnvn]

I think this one's more of a function of proper sentence structure when combining complex parts of sentences into one long sentence.

Also, is "reviews" supposed to be "views?" "Reviews" doesn't make sense. [Edited by Stacey to delete a sentence I wrote that was completely wrong! :)]

B is wrong because the main sentence reads "they denounce big government but supporting at the same time." "But" is a coordinating conjunction, used to connect two independent clauses, but the second half of this sentence "supporting at the same time..." is not an independent clause (that is, it cannot function as a stand-alone sentence).

C is a run on: "they denounce, they say" Both of those - "they denounce big government" and "
they say that government is doing too much" - are independent clauses and need to be connected either via a coordinating conjunction or a semi-colon. See, for example "they say that government is doing too much and it has become too powerful" - those are two independent clauses connected by the coordinating conjuction "and."

D is wrong because the main sentence reads "they denounce big government at the same time supporting" - you need a contrast word such as "while" between government and at. Same reason for E.

thank you Stacey

while is subordinate conjuction, so we can use ellipsis as the case in A is

but is coordinate conjuction, so we can not use ellipsis as the case in B is

is that right?

[thanghnvn]

sorry, another problem,
regarding while clause, or we can call it ellipsis clause.

ellipsis clause should be placed next to the omitted subject. this point is ilustrated in the question 17 og 13 (take a pdf version of og13 and do searching). in this question choice c and d is wrong for that rule.
this rule is not absolute but is prefered if we have a chance to choose. that is why in this question, "while doing" at the end is acceptable but "although de-ed" at the end in choice c and d of question 17 og 13 are eliminated

pls, confirm my thinking . Thank you Manhantan experts.

[jlucero]

thank you Stacey

while is subordinate conjuction, so we can use ellipsis as the case in A is

but is coordinate conjuction, so we can not use ellipsis as the case in B is

is that right?

Correct, except an ellipsis is this: (...), while a hyphen is this: ("”)

Edit: if you are referring to an elliptical construction, this isn't an example of one, but rather an example of parallel elements: saying & supporting.