Q8 - Ariel: Government art subsidies

[Celeste757]

Hello,

Confused on this one... it asks what they disagree with each other about.

I broke it down into the following:


Ariel:
-govt subsidies dont benefit art
-art role to challenge society values
-government expresses society's values
-artists cant criticize what they depend on

Sasha:
-AGREES: art role to challenge society
-democracy encourages challenge/dissent
-democracy ensures that artists can challenge govt (so disagrees with ariel's view they can't criticize)

A- wrong bc they both agree on that
B - Ariel AGREE, sasha NOT SURE
C - out of scope, not talking about non-democratic
D - ariel DISAGREE, sasha i think agrees??? but not sure
E - out of scope, not talking about distribution

stuck on difference between B and D...

thank you!!!!

[goriano]

Hello,

Confused on this one... it asks what they disagree with each other about.

I broke it down into the following:


Ariel:
-govt subsidies dont benefit art
-art role to challenge society values
-government expresses society's values
-artists cant criticize what they depend on

Sasha:
-AGREES: art role to challenge society
-democracy encourages challenge/dissent
-democracy ensures that artists can challenge govt (so disagrees with ariel's view they can't criticize)

A- wrong bc they both agree on that
B - Ariel AGREE, sasha NOT SURE
C - out of scope, not talking about non-democratic
D - ariel DISAGREE, sasha i think agrees??? but not sure
E - out of scope, not talking about distribution

stuck on difference between B and D...

thank you!!!!

Also stuck between B and D.

B: Ariel agrees. Sasha seems to disagree : "a democratic government respects dissent and encourages challenges to its OWN values."

D: Ariel disagrees. Sasha <unsure> : "in a democratic society, government art subsidies ensure that artists can be fully committed to their work while expressing themselves freely." How can we equate this with benefiting art?

[jamiejames]

Hello,

Confused on this one... it asks what they disagree with each other about.

I broke it down into the following:


Ariel:
-govt subsidies dont benefit art
-art role to challenge society values
-government expresses society's values
-artists cant criticize what they depend on

Sasha:
-AGREES: art role to challenge society
-democracy encourages challenge/dissent
-democracy ensures that artists can challenge govt (so disagrees with ariel's view they can't criticize)

A- wrong bc they both agree on that
B - Ariel AGREE, sasha NOT SURE
C - out of scope, not talking about non-democratic
D - ariel DISAGREE, sasha i think agrees??? but not sure
E - out of scope, not talking about distribution

stuck on difference between B and D...

thank you!!!!

Also stuck between B and D.

B: Ariel agrees. Sasha seems to disagree : "a democratic government respects dissent and encourages challenges to its OWN values."

D: Ariel disagrees. Sasha <unsure> : "in a democratic society, government art subsidies ensure that artists can be fully committed to their work while expressing themselves freely." How can we equate this with benefiting art?

This benefits them in that the subsidies do not constrain the artists, thus they help them by allowing them to continue to create the art without financial worries, and they can continue to challenge societies values as expressed by the government because democratic governments are meant to encourage this, thus D.

B is wrong because Ariel woud agree, but we don't know Sashas views on this.

[joseph.m.kirby]

Ariel's point: Government art subsidies, whatever the type of government, never benefit art.

Sasha's point: Democratic governments respect and encourage dissent. Thus, at least one type of government, democratic ones, ensures that artists can be fully committed, which thereby benefits art.

Point of disagreement: Whether government art subsidies can sometimes benefit art.

(D) is similar in that (D) defines the point more along the lines of Sasha's stance (which Ariel would not agree with).

[sumukh09]

Ariel says nothing about democratic government's though, how can we say she'd disagree with D since Ariel is talking about government's in general and not necessarily democratic governments?

[daniel]

Ariel says nothing about democratic government's though, how can we say she'd disagree with D since Ariel is talking about government's in general and not necessarily democratic governments?

It's because Ariel says that government art subsidies NEVER benefit art. You're right, she's talking about government art subsidies in general, without consideration of the type of government. So, she's saying the subsidies provide no benefit to art whatsoever, not in a dictatorship, not in a democracy, not under any condition, not ever.

Sasha's point is that it cannot be true that these subsidies NEVER benefit art, and she uses the example of democratic societies to show that Ariel's claim is too extreme.

[YurikaC738]

Hello,

Confused on this one... it asks what they disagree with each other about.

I broke it down into the following:


Ariel:
-govt subsidies dont benefit art
-art role to challenge society values
-government expresses society's values
-artists cant criticize what they depend on

Sasha:
-AGREES: art role to challenge society
-democracy encourages challenge/dissent
-democracy ensures that artists can challenge govt (so disagrees with ariel's view they can't criticize)

A- wrong bc they both agree on that
B - Ariel AGREE, sasha NOT SURE
C - out of scope, not talking about non-democratic
D - ariel DISAGREE, sasha i think agrees??? but not sure
E - out of scope, not talking about distribution

stuck on difference between B and D...

thank you!!!!

Also stuck between B and D.

B: Ariel agrees. Sasha seems to disagree : "a democratic government respects dissent and encourages challenges to its OWN values."

D: Ariel disagrees. Sasha <unsure> : "in a democratic society, government art subsidies ensure that artists can be fully committed to their work while expressing themselves freely." How can we equate this with benefiting art?

“A democratic government respects dissent and encourages challenge to its own values" can only say that Sasha thinks a democratic govt welcome art to oppose Government's values. There is no way that Sasha clearly points out government's value is equal to societal value.